"Mounting evidence" links Tsarnaev brothers to earlier triple throat-slitting of Jews
"You will surely find the most intense of the people in animosity toward the believers [to be] the Jews..." -- Qur'an 5:82
"So when you meet those who disbelieve, strike their necks..." -- Qur'an 47:4
"'Mounting evidence' links Tsarnaev brothers to earlier triple homicide," from RT, May 10:
There is “mounting evidence” which suggests that Boston Marathon bombing suspects Tamerlan and Dzhokhar Tsarnaev were involved in an unsolved triple homicide in 2011, according to Massachusetts investigators.
Forensic evidence from the crime scene matched the brothers’ DNA, and cell phone records put them in the area of the murders on the date they occurred, officials told ABC News.
In the wake of the Boston Marathon bombings, authorities in Middlesex County began to investigate the link between Tamerlan and Brendan Mess - one of the three men killed in the triple homicide.
Mess and two other men were found in a Waltham, Massachusetts residence with their throats slit and their bodies covered with marijuana on September 11, 2011. Tamerlan and Mess were once roommates and practiced boxing and martial arts together.
The officials stressed that until more definitive DNA testing is complete, it is still too early to bring an indictment against the surviving suspect, Dzhokhar.
The cold case was made active again once the victims’ family and friends saw the Tsarnaev brothers’ photos in the media. It was then that they were reminded of Tamerlan’s behavior after the murders. He did not attend Mess’ funeral and disappeared from the martial arts gym where the men had sparred together....
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Lena | May 10, 2013 3:49 PM | Reply
Wasn't sept 11 2011 also the day one of the bombers got his us citizenship?
winoceros | May 10, 2013 4:13 PM | Reply
Djokhar got his citizenship on 9/11/12, one year later with three fewer infidels in his new country.
Tamerlan, however, tried to skip town after his obligatory jihad. He had the street cred now, so quickly applied in December for his visa for the Hajj, since he is now a worthy Muslim.
Denied that, he arranged to travel to Dagestan as quickly as he could.
He waited until the heat was off, then split so he could tell his new friends what he'd done and get proper strokes, from the right kind of people with the right kind of mindset.
"I don't have any American friends. I don't understand them."
winoceros | May 10, 2013 4:21 PM | Reply
I thought just two were Jewish. The older one, a non-Jew, I believe...
But the other two went to school, where else? Ringe and Latin Prep...with the Tsarnaevs.
But too much pot smokin' for little brother, who would surely be necessary for the next phase of jihad. The infidels had to learn they could never corrupt the Muslims, so they had to pay.
Tamerlan was far, far gone by then. Remember, the first girlfriend got kicked to the curb in 2009, and had already seen Tamerlan's total transformation during the time she was dating him, from 2006. Nadine? Natalie? Anyway, lucky girl.
By 2011 he was already driving the Mercedes that Uncle Ruslan's bribe money had bought (but he did not turn from Misha's teachings), his mother was properly hijabed, he was married with a Muslim wife and a Muslim child and he could do the rest of the things on his bucket list: kill some Jews and corrupt drug users in an honor killing for restoration of his brother's wayward potsmoking and partying, go on a hajj, visit the true jihadists and commune with his Companions, kill a bunch of Americans, and get his boy like a pearl in Jannat.
Done and done.
Americana | May 10, 2013 4:25 PM | Reply
This is the most detailed story I could find...
In retrospect, a chilling comment, winoceros. I wonder when the police will say for sure that they've got enough forsensics hits and evidence? What a hideous betrayal on soooo many levels!
Lohengrin | May 10, 2013 4:53 PM | Reply
Hideous betrayal indeed. How can you wear a mask and disguise your true feelings for so long? It's not humanely possible...
S Kevin | May 10, 2013 5:10 PM | Reply
@ Mino~
I think the boy like a pearl in Jannat was none other than dopey Jahar.
undaunted replied to comment from Americana | May 10, 2013 5:11 PM | Reply
Took a look at the story, seems like there were leads back in Sept 2011 that BPD should have and could have chased down. Problem is that most PDs are more worried about manpower issues as they relate to overtime than they are about catching bad-guys.
Americana | May 10, 2013 5:25 PM | Reply
You really think that was poor police work, undaunted? I think the Tsarnaevs weren't considered suspects at that point on the basis of one of them being a roommate and their friendship. It was certainly easier to see the crime as drug turf homicides. But you are an ex Army CID guy, right? So, what is it you saw as evidence of things that should have been followed up?
Holy Prophet APF | May 10, 2013 5:34 PM | Reply
Mohammed said, “Just issue orders to kill every Jew in the country.”
The young Brothers Tsarnaev came to this country, and certainly had no realistic prospect of killing every Jew in this country, heck, we don’t even know if they wanted to try by slitting the three Jewish throats in question here.
But if they did try, if they were the ones who slit these three Jewish throats, then that would’ve been a commendable act based on the scriptures, as shown in the Mohammed quote above, in the Hadiths.
Most call them Islamic extremists just plain terrorists for short, but I call them Moslem Activists. Everybody should; if they did it would be a clearer and safer world.
Lohengrin replied to comment from winoceros | May 10, 2013 5:45 PM | Reply
The Saudis denied Tamerlan an entry visa?! Wow.
So BOTH the Russians AND the Saudis flagged this guy as terror-related. And yet the FBI cleared him?! And now they're claiming they did everything right?
undaunted replied to comment from Americana | May 10, 2013 5:59 PM | Reply
Didn't show up for the funeral if his good friend. Very odd.
LemonLime | May 10, 2013 6:29 PM | Reply
"Tamerlan and Mess were once roommates and practiced boxing and martial arts together."
No doubt if Brendan Mess had been told that Muslims are a dangerous problem, he'd have said, "I have Muslim friends; they're not all bad; how many Muslims do you know? What about the Crusades and the Inquisition, blah blah blah..."
dumbledoresarmy | May 10, 2013 7:05 PM | Reply
I am reminded of what happened to a Jew in France called Sebastien Selam.
As reported in 'Jerusalem Post'.
http://www.jpost.com/Magazine/Features/Two-sons-of-France
"After yet another frenzied night spinning R & B and house tunes in a top Paris nightclub, Sebastien Selam went home to his mother just off Place Colonel Fabien in the 10th district, not far from the hilly Buttes Chaumont Park.
"It's a typical five-story Paris apartment building owned by the huge AGF insurance company, with small balconies lined with flowerpots, but surrounded by city-owned housing projects in a bustling neighborhood with the tough sons of immigrant families hanging out on the streets.
"After thrilling dancers with his spinning style, the 23-year-old DJ Lam.C, as he was known in the club scene, wanted nothing more than to sleep, but he ran into his longtime neighbor and former buddy, Adel Amastaibou, who said, Let's check out the garage a second."
...
"...in the garage at 5 Rue Louis Blanc, Adel Amastaibou took out a long knife and stabbed Sebastien Salem repeatedly in the chest, killing him. He went upstairs to his mother's apartment and told her and then the police when they arrived, "I killed a Jew, I will go to paradise. Allah made me do it.""
Now, let's reflect on something in a popular Hadith anthology that can be bought in English translation from Muslim bookshops, online, today (just google and see):
"When judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire." -- Mohammed (Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no. 5552.)
ApolloSpeaks | May 10, 2013 8:49 PM | Reply
OMINOUS SIGNS OF A COMING HORRIFIC 9/11 ATTACK?
Lately events relating to terrorism and national security seem to have taken an ominous turn perhaps toward a second 9/11 size mass terror attack on US soil. Look at the signs and shudder. two weeks ago it was reported that our Islamic supremacist enemies at the Ground Zero triumphalist mosque found a piece of the wreckage from one of the two 9/11 planes that slammed into the Twin Towers. The piece, authenticated by experts, was found wedged between the mosque at Park 51 and the building next door just blocks from Ground Zero. This discovery was made just weeks after Osama bin Laden's terrorist son-in-law (Suleiman Abu Ghaith) was arraigned in a nearby Federal Court in Lower Manhattan for plotting to kill Americans; and we suffered the only successful Islamic terror bombing since 9/11-with one of the terrorists (Tamerlan) suspected of having slit the throats (al Qaida style) of three Jewish men on 9-11-11 (an obvious sacrificial offering of evil Jews to Allah); and the other (Dzhokar) obtaining US citizenship exactly one year later on 9-11-12-the day al Qaida struck our consulate in Benghazi to honor bin Laden and his deadly attack.
With all this sudden focus on 9/11 coming from many directions could it be a warning from On High that a second large scale attack is in the works? An attack that's eluding authorities (like the Boston bombing) because of the administration's blindness and weak on terror 9/10 mentality? I don't know. But if you recall when Gabby Giffords was shot in Tucson the gunman Jared Loughner killed Christina Green, a lovely child born on 9-11-01, with Loughner born on 9-10-88 (one month after the birth of al Qaida). Was this a providential sign warning about the consequences of the 9/10 mentality leading to another horrific 9/11 event? I hope not. Boston was enough; but not for our monstrous Islamic enemies whose thirst for American blood is unquenchable.
Bewick114 replied to comment from Lohengrin | May 10, 2013 9:08 PM | Reply
You aren't a muslim then?
undaunted replied to comment from Americana | May 10, 2013 9:51 PM | Reply
Not sure if it was poor police work but at least they gave up too soon, in my opinion. BPD had to know the victims were Jewish and that their "friends" were Muslim. BPD should have known the enmity Muslims feel for Jews and put the brothers Tsarnaev at the top of their suspect list. The date of the crime was signficant. There were drugs and 5K cash left at the scene. That means the killers didn't commit the murders as part of a drug deal gone bad and they were *saying* drugs and money were not the motive by leaving those things at the scene, atop the bodies. BPD needed to then determine the motive, which, according to Occam's Razor, was the brothers. At least that's how I would have looked at it. Seems likely that BPD was willfuly negligent in their investigation. That's my take.
fredalanmedforth | May 10, 2013 11:30 PM | Reply
And nobody, nobody could connect the dots until now?
Strange. Too strange. Is Holders police working on the case?
BlueRaven replied to comment from undaunted | May 11, 2013 2:59 AM | Reply
Undaunted - If all these guys were boxers, even one at a time, they would have put up a real fight. To cut someone's throat, unless you are seriously overpowered, is not an easy task. My guess is there were a number of Muslims involved, perhaps a bunch of visitors from Krapstan, to overpower the victims.
I am a little disturbed about the statement : "The officials stressed that until more definitive DNA testing is complete," : does it mean they didn't do the DNA analysis back then when the incident took place ? They have DNA analysis results up to their eyeballs in their databank.
This statement reminds me of Obama-Clinton statement about Banghazi. I don't know the reason, I go bold on this case, IT IS A COVERUP.
Mark54 | May 11, 2013 6:55 AM | Reply
At least by the time of the bombings we know the brothers were armed with guns. So it's quite possible one kept a gun trained on the other two victims as they did their work with the knife.
duh_swami replied to comment from Lohengrin | May 11, 2013 7:27 AM | Reply
How can you wear a mask and disguise your true feelings for so long? It's not humanely possible...
Yes it is, and it happens all the time...
ImNoDhimmi replied to comment from duh_swami | May 11, 2013 7:40 AM | Reply
Indeed. One has only to look at the current President to know it's true.
Americana replied to comment from Mark54 | May 11, 2013 9:40 AM | Reply
Very good point about the use of a gun to possibly hold them, Mark. They weren't all found in one room of the apartment though, right? I guess I just don't know enough about the crime scene to do anything but speculate...
undaunted replied to comment from BlueRaven | May 11, 2013 11:04 AM | Reply
Makes sense to me.
Kepha | May 11, 2013 5:24 PM | Reply
I will bet that Brandon Mess was raised to respect all people regardless, found his former roommate and sparring partner's background interesting, and thought that his association with Tamerlan Tsarnaev was an ordinary one between two fellow students.
It seems that these people admire the treacherous.
Al Frank | May 11, 2013 7:30 PM | Reply
I did hear from one of Brendan's friends that he wasn't Jewish. Not sure if that is accurate though, but JTA claims the same in the mess murder wiki. His friend said Brendan was Portuguese not Jewish, but I tried to let him know that there have been and still are plenty of Portuguese Jews, Sephardi and so forth.
The whole case and that it wasn't solved is ridiculous and likely a case of FBI-Boston intentionally burying it.
Let's see, triple homicide, what to do.
Maybe get a list of all known friends, associates and acquaintances of the deceased. Interview everyone on the list, ask for alibis, confirm or deny alibis. Brendan's friends knew that Tamerlan hung out with Brendan a lot. Some even said he was the last to be seen with him. Shortly after the crime, the cops were saying that they were looking for 2 assailants.
Geez Sgt, his he's nowhere to be found. He didn't show up for the wake or funeral. His boxing coach says that he and Brendan were best friends. He and Brendan were both boxers and trained MMA. He was a Golden Gloves champ. Must be sorta strong and capable of enough violence to do something like this. Where is he? He has a brother too? And we were looking for 2 people. Imagine that.
Check phone records and any records of arrest or convictions.
Geez Sarg, this Tamerlan guy has an arrest for Domestic Violence and lo and behold he's in this FBI Guardian computer database for potential terrorists that Russia warned FBI and CIA about.
Geez Sgt, his phone records put him nearby the crime scene too.
This is not brain surgery. Not this case anyway. Open and shut really.
http://deepsixcover.wordpress.com/
Holy Prophet APF replied to comment from dumbledoresarmy | May 11, 2013 7:34 PM | Reply
When judgment day arrives, Allah will give every Muslim a Jew or Christian to kill so that the Muslim will not enter into hell fire." -- Mohammed (Mishkat Al-Messabih, vol. 2, no. 5552.).
So then, the bad guys will get the hell fire, but so too the good guys could get it unless they kill a bad guy just to be extra sure of their deserving Jannat. Sounds like a double check process to me, Dumbles.
But as a gift, cuz Allah will present each Moslem with a Jew or Christian for the killing, kind of a test disguised as a prize. But wouldn’t the answer be obvious at that juncture, even to a Moslem? (Sorry for the implied redundancy here.)
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