by Sandhya Jain on 07 May 2013 1 Comment
A Defence Minister who cannot read a hospital register recording the date of birth of his Chief of Army Staff can hardly be expected to read a map and discern Chinese inroads to the extent of an admitted 19-kms (some say 30-kms). So it was no surprise that Mr. AK Anthony remained near-invisible after Beijing’s latest land grab became public, though protection of our borders is his foremost duty.
A look at the map shows that the strategic Siachen Glacier is virtually all that separates China-grabbed Aksai Chin (which Jawaharlal Nehru yielded lamely) and Pakistan-Occupied Kashmir (which Nehru surrendered by taking the issue to the United Nations).
This suggests that all Track II diplomacy to de-militarise the glacier could have had a hidden China hand, with Beijing rather than Islamabad likely to grab the strategic heights to link up with POK via the Shaksgam valley illegally ceded by Pakistan, and deny India access to the only terrain from which it can monitor POK, the Karakoram Highway, and Aksai Chin.
The pincer is clearly in place. Hence it stands to reason that Beijing’s May 5 decision to fold its tents and recall troops to pre-April 15 position is dictated only by concern that the new Chinese Premier Li Keqiang should not lose face by being made to postpone/cancel his India visit on May 20. That visit would have to be called off if public anger forced External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid to cancel his May 9 visit to Beijing, which he was desperate not to compromise.
Hence the nation’s legitimate concern is to know what demands India ceded to clinch the withdrawal. Could a Minister signing MOUs in Tehran have seriously convinced the Chinese to retreat? Why has India withdrawn troops from its own area? Why is India hiding the specifics of concessions made; wasn’t it in the larger national interest to cancel the Khurshid-Keqiang visits, take opposition parties into confidence, and out-stare the intruders?
China has moved methodically in pursuit of its territorial agenda. In 1955, it built a road through Aksai Chin to connect its garrisons in Xinjiang to Tibet. Despite warnings from Intelligence Bureau director BN Mullick and others, India did not protest until 1958 and was dismissed with contempt. In 1962, Beijing occupied Aksai Chin and enhanced its infrastructure there. Since then, it has been nibbling at Indian territory in various sectors.
Regardless of whether the danger emanates from Beijing or Islamabad, it is shameful that New Delhi devoted decades discussing the strategic Siachen Glacier at all. Hopefully, all talk on this issue will now end. Perhaps Washington, apprehensive of a rampaging imperialist dragon, will stop pushing New Delhi in this regard.
The Indo-Tibetan Border Police detected the intrusion on the intervening night of April 15-16 and pushed the soldiers back across Rakhi Nallah. But New Delhi failed to deploy the Army immediately and soon five Chinese tents (with armed troops and fierce Molosser dogs) came up at Daulat Beg Oldi, Depsang Valley, in the western sector of Ladakh bordering Xinjiang Autonomous Region. For three weeks, New Delhi was clueless how to respond. Foreign Minister Salman Khurshid volubly downplayed the issue so as to carry on with his trip to Beijing and host premier Keqiang later in the month.
In 1986, a PLA unit marched seven kilometres inside the Line of Actual Control at Somdurong Chu, Arunachal Pradesh. General K Sundarji airlifted troops and surrounded their camp; placed artillery on nearby heights and asked a unit to erect tents just 10 metres away. The Chinese withdrew; they respond to big sticks, not big words. General Bikram Singh could have similarly handled matters at his own level at little cost; deferring to New Delhi was a mistake. Briefing the Cabinet Committee on Security some days ago, the General reportedly suggested cutting off the supply lines of the Chinese troops at Rakhi Nallah, something he should have done himself.
At the flag meetings, China reportedly demanded de-activation of two advance landing grounds (ALGs) at Daulat Beg Oldi and Fukche which the Indian Air Force reactivated in 2008 to enhance its ability to deploy forces faster towards Siachen Glacier or Karakoram and Aksai Chin. The IAF wanted to open another forward airstrip at Chushul; this must now be expedited. Currently, India is developing Nyoma in Ladakh, close to the LAC, as a forward base. China is insistent that India dismantle the Chumar observation post in eastern Ladakh, from where its troop movements can be detected.
Activity in the contentious region over the next few weeks will reveal if New Delhi blinked and agreed to scale down infrastructure which Beijing claims is “too close” to the LAC. After the intrusion was detected, a pusillanimous Centre had directed the Army to stop work on additional bunkers in Daulat Beg Oldi. China now wants an end to bunkers in Fukche and Chumar regions, and New Delhi is reluctant to share details of what transpired in the talks that allegedly resulted in de-escalation of border tensions. This seems to leave the door open for the People’s Republic to come back later, build roads and all-weather bunkers, and add the terrain to the ‘palm’ and ‘fingers’ it claims as its own.
New Delhi has long hidden behind the excuse that the border with China is un-demarcated. That is no excuse for not defining its version of what the border is/should be, and protecting the frontier on that basis until final negotiations. Worst is the scandalous manner in which it has washed its hands off territory that was part of the erstwhile kingdom of Jammu & Kashmir that acceded to the Union in 1947. Merely passing resolutions in Parliament only make us the laughing stock of the world.
Smaller nations like Japan, South Korea, the Philippines, Vietnam, Malaysia, do not cover before China. Vietnam gave Beijing a bloody nose in 1979. In contrast, New Delhi withdrew its legitimate investment in Vietnamese offshore oilfields after Beijing objected to its presence in the South China Sea; this doubtless encouraged the current adventure.
Tibetans, despite their geographical isolation which makes it difficult to deflect Chinese domination, particularly because of a weak Nepal and indifferent India, show their hatred of Han domination by gruesome immolations by monks.
As China struggles with recession and unrest among its people, New Delhi should hit Beijing where it hurts – in the bilateral trade that currently stands at a staggering US$66 billion per annum. We must also build bunkers at the exact spot where China pitched its tents at Daulat Beg Oldi. Power is first and foremost about self-assertion.
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Official Spokesperson's response to a query on situation on Line of Actual Control between India and China
May 06, 2013
NO PULL-OUT? In response to a query on situation on Line of Actual Control between India and China, the Official Spokesperson said:
"The Governments of India and China have agreed to restore status quo ante along the Line of Actual Control (LAC) in the Western Sector of the India-China boundary as it existed prior to 15 April,2013. Flag meetings have been held to work out the modalities and to confirm the arrangements."
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The Most Dangerous Border in the World
Why is China picking a fight with India?
BY ELY RATNER, ALEXANDER SULLIVAN | MAY 4, 2013
Editor's note: On Monday, India's foreign ministry announced that India and China had agreed to withdraw troops from their disputed Himalayan border and end a tense three-week standoff between the world's two most populous countries.
The night before Beijing released its biennial defense white paper in mid-April, avowing that it would not "engage in military expansion," roughly 30 Chinese troops marched 12 miles into Indian-controlled territory. For at least the last five years, the Chinese military has routinely made forays across the disputed 2,400-mile-long Line of Actual Control that divides the two countries. The Indian governmentcounted 400 similar incursions last year, and already 100 in 2013.
But for the first time since 1986, the People's Liberation Army (PLA) troops refused to return home after being detected. They instead pitched three tents. New Delhi quickly summoned the Chinese ambassador, and Indian military officials protested to their Chinese counterparts. The Chinese soldiers responded bypitching two more tents, and erecting a sign, in English, that said "You are in Chinese side." Three rounds of unsuccessful negotiations broke off May 1, with Beijing demanding that New Delhi unilaterally withdrawal from its own territory before it would consider removing its encampment. Meanwhile, China's Foreign Ministry spokeswoman denied that PLA troops had even penetrated the boundary, paradoxically noting, "China is firmly opposed to any acts that involve crossing the Line of Actual Control and sabotaging the status quo."
On April 25, India's External Affairs Minister Salman Khurshid situated the crisis in the context of Sino-Indian relations: "One little spot is acne, which cannot force you to say that this is not a beautiful face. That acne can be addressed by simply applying ointment." Khurshid will likely regret this remark, not only because it is a bad metaphor, but because it is wrong. Initial diplomatic efforts have failed, and even though war is unlikely, the standoff is a reminder of the deep and potentially dangerous rivalry that simmers below the Sino-Indian relationship.
It is a strange time for China to pick this fight. With potential instability on the Korean Peninsula and sovereignty disputes in the East and South China Seas, it belies strategic logic for Beijing to open a new front of territorial revisionism. And it seems India agrees: One Indian general called the move "an inexplicable provocation."
Perhaps it was a case of a PLA officer going rogue. Perhaps China wanted to send a message of strength in advance of high-level visits in May, when foreign minister Khurshid goes to Beijing and Chinese Prime Minister Li Keqiang visits Delhi on his first official trip abroad since taking office in March. Or perhaps, as many in the Indian media are speculating, Beijing is signaling it will no longer tolerate India's stepped-up patrols and infrastructure development along the border.
While China's motivations remain unclear, the potential implications are massive. The Sino-Indian dynamic is often seen as a sideshow to Beijing's more immediate rivalries with the United States and Japan. But more intense strategic competition between India and China would reverberate throughout the continent, exacerbating tensions in Central Asia, the Indian Ocean, and Southeast Asia. Disruptions to the Asian engine of economic growth caused by these tensions could debilitate the global economy.
The history of today's crisis predates the founding of both the People's Republic of China and the modern Indian state, in 1949 and 1947 respectively. The now-disputed border was established between Britain and a then-independent Tibet in 1914; China and India confirmed it as the de facto border in a 1954 treaty. In 1962, tensions stemming from India granting asylum to the then 27-year-old Dalai Lama, Chinese official maps claiming Indian-administered territory, and Indian border patrols in disputed areas boiled over into a one-month conflict. Although the Sino-Indian War was a decisive victory for China, it resulted in a return to the status quo.
Mutual antagonism persisted for decades amid periodic border skirmishes. Only in this century have the two sides begun to improve relations, with bilateral trade growing from less than $3 billion in 2000 to over $70 billion in 2011. And leaders are sticking to a $100 billion target for 2015, despite a roughly 12 percent contraction in 2012. But as China's rocky relationship with its second largest trading partner Japan shows, economic interdependence is no guarantee of friendly relations, and severe trade imbalances in China's favor have been an ongoing source of tension in India.
Numerous other friction points persist between the two nuclear powers. China frequently complainsthat India's offering of refuge to both the Dalai Lama and the headquarters of the exiled Tibetan government constitutes tacit support for China's territorial disintegration. And India is dismayed by Chinese plans to build a series of dams on the Brahmaputra River, which originates in Tibet but flows into India. Tens of millions depend on the river, and water competition between the two countries will likelycontinue to grow.
Chinese expansion into the Indian Ocean -- which India regards as its backyard -- also raises hackles in New Delhi. Indian media reported in April that a classified Defense Ministry document alleged Chinese submarines have been making routine forays into the Indian Ocean. In February, a Chinese companyassumed administration of Pakistan's strategic Gwadar port, reviving fears that China is seeking a stronger foothold along India's periphery. Geostrategic competition also extends to Myanmar, where China and India have long competed for influence, and is complicated by China's friendship with India's archenemy, Pakistan.
And popular mistrust aggravates these political disputes: A 2012 poll by the Pew Research Center found that only 23 percent of both Indians and Chinese hold a "favorable" view of each other.
Now, with Chinese troops in Indian-controlled territory, it is New Delhi's move. There will be immediate diplomatic implications on the content and atmospherics of upcoming high-level visits. The Indian military will have to consider augmenting its presence and capacity at the border, as it has duringprevious crises. Some Indian commentators are also suggesting that Delhi re-open the question of China's legitimate rule over Tibet, which would certainly anger Beijing.
Over the last decade, India has conducted a landmark naval exercise with Japan, trained Vietnamese fighter pilots, and held increasingly sophisticated maritime exercises with Singapore. Even if diplomacy prevails and both sides find a face-saving resolution to the current standoff, the incident will likely cause India to strengthen its political and military relations with countries throughout East and Southeast Asia. Delhi should lend "a shoulder to countries such as Japan, Vietnam and even Singapore who are fearful of China's hegemonism," argues Swapan Dasgupta, a leading Indian journalist.
A rerun of the 1962 conflict is unlikely; neither country is mobilizing for war and the presence of a few dozen PLA troops does not harbor the potential for rapid escalation like the high-seas gamesmanship in the South and East China Seas. Nevertheless, if the two sides cannot reach a lasting political solution soon, competition could overwhelm the positive tenor that has defined Sino-Indian relations in recent years. There are few worse things that could happen to Asia than its two biggest giants backsliding into rivalry.
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Ely Ratner is deputy director of the Asia-Pacific security program at the Center for a New American Security. Alexander Sullivan is a Joseph S. Nye, Jr. national security research intern at the Center for a New American Security.
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Why is this being framed as a Chinese provocation? This was not how things are in the past. But ofc, since Foreign Policy is but a mouthpiece for the Washington foreign policy establishment, it makes all the sense to portray a rival country (China) is the provocateur and a potential client state (India) as the abused party, despite its extensive history of warmongering and lebensraum.
RafaSantos you mean India is warmongering nation? I can understand your feelings about USA's stance on China. But that doesn't make India a warmongering nation. And I'm not trying to defend. Infact, India's the only nation that you may screw over, over n over and we still wouldn't retaliate. I wish it had some balls.
Not really. If there's one lesson politics has thought us, it is that NO nation is innocent on a comparative basis and everyone has a history of wrongdoings.
Lewis Parker I'd like you to be more specific. Reality is not digital, there are levels of 'wrongdoings'. India is so engrossed right now in the mess of its own corruption and meltdown of social values that it neither has the focus nor the will to ploy or attack, for whatever reason, unless it directly benefits the bureaucrats. And as for our cuddly neighbors, China and Pakistan, they have their respective ambitions to fulfil, former of being the greatest nation and latter for spreading islam.
This is really a great article about world. Being working with a mobile app development company is not easy to get such world-news but thanks to this site. At-least from this site i can found some interesting articles apart from tech.
Two civilizations masquerading as nations and trying to establish national border. Even a joke can't go that far.
kbc Agreed.
Oh, and another thing. When China violates Indian territory (if it is Indian at all), China is picking a fight. When US conducts military operations inside another country, it is "doing the right thing". Nice journalism.
Nicolas19 In Nicolas19's world, going into someone's house to chase a criminal is the same as going into someone's house and claiming one of the rooms as your own.
I don't agree. The two nations will try to resolve the border issue in their next official talks, coming in late May (I think). China is positioning itself, these incursions are mere bargaining chips.
Claiming that this border is more dangerous than the DMZ is... well, an overstatement. Imagine similar "incursions" happening there.
An excellent article.
Thank you.
What is to become of that area? It would be best to make it a DMZ just like the border that separates North & South Korea. Mine the whole area and fence off the respective borders. Diplomacy is not an option here.
My gut feeling says that new Chinese leadership is looking to resolve border issues with India. But since India will not recognize the present ground realities on the map, China is forcing it to do the same by arm twisting. Had Chinese leadership wanted to escalate the border row, the whole issue would have been covered more in depth in Chinese official media. In forthcoming official visits, the Chinese will try to pressure India to resolve the border issue for once and for all.
http://slugpost.com/2013/05/05/real-reason-behind-india-china-border-row/
What a ridiculous article, with the only purpose of sowing seeds of division or discord between China and India, whose relations are hardly at their worst!
In fact, never has Eurasia as a whole tended more towards defending common interests, so dream on FP...
The level of discourse here is abysmally low.
Within 4 posts/responses, the language and arguments dive deep into the gutter.
I don't think I've ever seen the N word and the C word used in any of the major online forums before.
And to think that these angry, raving ratbags actually have "the right to bear arms."
Scary.
Constableplod Dude, the Americans have kept out of this thread. These people aren't Americans. I'm American, and after reading all the comments here, I'm pretty sure they're almost all Chinese and Indian commentators going after one another. I really, really, doubt that the one guy claiming to be an American is one. Despite what some fools think (and I'm not calling you a fool, I don't know a thing about you), not all hate, racism, and nationalist bullsh*t begins and ends with America. As is demonstrated by commentators here, China and India have as much to contribute to these vices as anyone else.
TheIronBuddha Thank you for that TIB.
Forgive me, but I wasn't (this time!) singling out Americans.
My point was how racist, how vicious and insulting some of these respondents became after only a few exchanges of opinion.
Imagine a couple of those dopes in a bar where it's likely one or more of them would be packing heat. The piano would stop playing and the barkeeper would start reaching under the counter.
But I do definitely agree with you that the foul-mouthed little "whiter than white" twat who claims to have "swum over on the Mayflower," was definitely not Born in the USA.
He would've had his head slapped upside and his mouth washed out with soap far too many times to be still mouthing off like that in public.
I'd much prefer we all get back to the whys and what's next of India and China facing off on that shaky border.
The authors owe us an explanation how the India-Chinese border has become "The Most Dangerous Border in the World". How many people (military and civilian combined) have been killed at this border in the past 50 years? Any kill at all? How does it compare to the India-Pakistanis border where more than 115,000 dead in the past three wars? America-Mexican border where40,000 people killed since 2007? The India-Bangladeshis border where 1000 killed in the last 10 years alone? Chad-Sudanese border? FYI, the India-Chinese border did NOT even appear on the list compiled by Foreign Policy's "The World's Most Dangerous Borders" published on JUNE 24, 2011.
JDenverPeace He's talking about danger in terms of potential for large scale conflict. A gun is "dangerous" even if its never been fired, a soldier is dangerous even if he's never killed anyone. Just because there hasn't been actual violence doesn't mean danger doesn't exist.
also, not that its actually relevant, but 40,000 killed on the American-Mexican border? source?
ntwizzle56Tell the Koreans that their border is peaceful according to Ratner & Sullivan. This India-China borde is FAR from the most dangerous by any measures. Perod.
I have already given you my source of info: Foreign Policy's "The World's Most Dangerous Borders" published on JUNE 24, 2011. Google it to get the url as http://www.google.ca/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&frm=1&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CC8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.foreignpolicy.com%2Fnode%2F862686&ei=QjCHUZ-DCo-64AOrwICoCw&usg=AFQjCNEJIy-P-fV9jCiJ0EF2gKCTLdyNHA&sig2=C84ab8uEekTjRhSpHIZsUg&bvm=bv.45960087,d.dmg
JDenverPeace Nobody's saying that the Korean border isn't dangerous...I think you fail to realize how subjective the word "danger" really is. I'm not discounting what you're saying here, there is a clearly much more brinkmanship between North and South Korea than there is between China and India. But also consider that a small amount of friction between the two most powerful, (nuclear capable) nations on the Asian continent puts a lot more in danger than a conflict between N and S Korea. I would argue that "danger" is a function of both probability of conflict, and the scope of the ramifications of the potential conflict.
Think of a man on a cliff...how much danger he is in is determined by how close he is to the edge, and how high the cliff is. China and India are on top of a very high cliff, and if they are starting to slide slowly towards the edge, then they are in ultimately in more danger than N and S Korea, who teeter on the edge of a much lower cliff. the Koreas may require more immediate attention, but they are not in more danger, ultimately.
I'm not disagreeing with what you're saying. I do think that this article exaggerates the implications of what is likely to be an anomalous event, although signs do point to continued, if not increasing, Indo-Chinese Relations. But "Danger" isn't determined by how many bullets are flying at the border, and I would also argue that it isn't necessarily determined by the immediacy of potential conflict. Maybe it is too early to say whether or not India and China are sliding towards a precipice. But I think he makes a good case for the upward trend in tensions between the two nations, and I believe that the existence of that trend would sufficiently justify the title of this article.
North Korea is a red herring to distract from what China is really doing. Also China needs to test its military. What better opponent than India on which to evaluate it weapons, tactics, and manpower..
Chinese have withdrawn back to their side ........... a lot of Pakis, Brits, and some Americans would be greatly disappointed ........... the Chinese are pragmatic people ........ so are the Indians ........ it is by virtue of their many thousands years old civilizational wisdom ............
A typical western view about the Sino-Indian border dispute and as usual, in favor of India. People hardly know the true facts.
Both countries have more urgent problems and difficulties within its respective borders. Can't really understand why a border dispute now. We will see an arms race in this region in the next few years if no agreement of any sort is reached soon.
read http://www.atimes.com/atimes/China/CHIN-01-030513.html for more knowledgeable account
Dear Chinese,
You are one billion odd people, so are we Indians. You have a land area 3 times the size of India and yet you want more. Greed apparently is a communist thing too.
BUDDHU Greed has nothing to do with Communism. Greed = Chinese. That seems to be the slogan around here lately
Friend of mine from the early 1970s had been a junior officer in the Indian forces that fought China along the high border in the early 1960s... He described his first day... getting out of a jeep wore him out. Many of the Indian troops were not proper mountain troops and the Chinese came out ahead on points...
Most likely seeing what India will put up with. This kind of behavior in the disputed islands of Asia has already taken place... and we may see a lot more...
Why is no mention made of the Indian annexation of Tawang (part of tradtional Tibet) in 1951 at the height of the Korean war? Similarly, annexation by India of Arunachal Pradesh (greater Tibet) in 1970 and finally annexation of Sikkim in 1975. India, the champion of democracy has been pursuing nothing less than the imperialist policies of its former colonial master Britain. The Western press has always been on India's side, so India enjoys a definite advantage in world opinion. Until Neville Maxwell's book on the India China War came out in 1974, the accepted view was that China was the aggressor in the 1962 war. It turns out that India provoked the conflict by pursuing an aggressive frontier policy and sending troops into the disputed areas and steadfastly refusing to negotiate. It appears the Nehru legacy of stubbornly clinging to colonial borderlines unilaterally imposed by the British Raj without the concurrence of China will let this issue fester until another tragedy breaks out.........
serica
Any attempt by China to alter the status quo by force, will be defeated by matching Indian military response ...... if China wants a war with India, it will get one .... !
anjan288 serica
anjan288 serica LOL! Stupid Indian. You would be wiped out in a war.
MrBeverlyhills
Not so easy, you idiot ....... in the worst case, it will be a " mutually assured destruction" ...... ever heard of it ...... ?
anjan288
Indian space program is a fail. Indian MBT (main battle tank) is a fail. Indian Tejas is a massive fail. Indian stealth fighter is a fail. India's next-gen fighter is a fail. Indian manned spacecraft is a fail. India's next-gen submarine is a fail.
Does India have the ability to launch thousands of ballistic missiles (which it does not have), in the 10+ megaton range (again, it does not have), with 5-mile accuracy (again, does not have).
The answer is no. In a nuclear war, India would be wiped out, China would experience moderate damage and survive.
In a conventional war, India would be occupied, China would only lose troops and materiel in the same way that America did in Iraq & Afghanistan. The occupation that will come after; not in the response to your pathetic attempt at an invasion.
MrBeverlyhills
Where did you learn your english ........ in a Paki madrasa ........ ?
anjan288
No, I'm not a dirty shitskin pedophile Mohammedan terrorist, like yourself.
I'm American, and I have more history here than you dirty Indian/Paki immigrants.
Go back to your country.
MrBeverlyhills anjan288 You mean you are one of those smelly Chinese who were brought to the US in slaveships, and who still haven't shed their ways? You better not go back to your country - they wouldn't have you.
MrBeverlyhills anjan288 hahahahah if only china could overcome India, it would have long time ago, NO IT CANNOT and will never be able to and especially taking over India? forget abt it, its not 1700s where damn colonoliasts could make stupid out of us and took us over, this time we will eat china alive...........(even though I am Pakistani) LONG LIVE INDIA!!!
nrmr44 anjan288
No, that's not who I am. You have it all wrong. I'm White you fucking idiot. Married to a Chinese women, and so am essentially half-Chinese.
My heritage traces back to the Mayflower passenger Richard Warren. That's 400 years of heritage in America you dimwit shitskin!
If Chinese are smelly then what the Hell do you call your dump of a country? What do you call earning $200 a YEAR? Your people are living in Negroid African conditions.
You are SAVAGES. Not even a part of humanity.
KhanJi anjan288
"hahahahah if only china could overcome India, it would have long time ago"
It did. What in the fucking hell are you talking about you smelly half-ape?
Name one thing that Indians and other South Asians sub-Humans are better in?
Per capita GDP: China wins!
GDP: China wins!
Life expectancy: China wins!
Household income: China wins!
Literacy: China wins!
Poverty rate: China wins!
Growth rate: China wins!
Crime rate: China Wins!
Rape: INDIA WINS!
Infectious diseases: China wins (India & Pakistan resemble Africa ESPECIALLY in this regard)
Name one thing you savages are better than us in. You are genetically and culturally inferior in every single way.
East Asia: Hong Kong & Macau, Singapore, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, and China
China is the only developing country buddy (no thanks to communism), and it's rising FAST.
South Asia: India, Pakistan, Nepal, Afghanistan, Sri Lanka, Bhutan, and Bangladesh
ALL THIRD WORLD SHITHOLEs. ALL LOOK LIKE NEGROIDS.
It is well known that negroids are genetically incapable of creating wealth and technology like East Asians and Whites.
This is why your people fail, and why East Asians and Whites succeed and excel!
MrBeverlyhills anjan288 Every word coming out of your dirty mouth is shit and fuck, do you have any moral/ethical decencey? having said that, you are saying India hasnt done anything....sounds like a sheer ignorance.......my friend the machine that you are using to read my comment and opening ur mouth chances are created by an indian, your NASA has over 30% indians, your world known doctors and surgeons......again indians....you want me to keep continue???? the fact is YOUR WHITE TRASH mentality wouldnt take you not even close to a priceless Indian Brain.........so go ahead and fuck urself or your better half small chinese cunt that you around (does it have label on it that says......Made in China??)
MrBeverlyhills anjan288 serica Sorry Sir! But you are wrong. If your arguments are based on the 1962 war you are wrong because '62 was a strategic disaster for India. But the tide has turned significantly in favour of the Indians. Indian air power is unrivalled in the region and I am sure China will get a taste of it if it wants war. India would never be wiped off. There would be a lot of options and a stalemate would be the likeliest.
MrBeverlyhills anjan288 RACIST
MrBeverlyhills KhanJi anjan288 Unlike China India is a democracy. So whatever happens in India, everyone knows. China hides the bad stuff, viz. poverty, HR abuses. It promotes its image by projecting its good side.
MrBeverlyhills
You mo**er fu**er immigrant ...... getting a US green card, or US passport does not make you an American ........
anjan288
What the fuck are you talking about nigger? I have ancestry in this country dating back to the 1600's. My family has shed blood for this country. WE BUILT IT! I was born here Paki.
Now you savages think you can come in and just *act* American. You have ZERO heritage, ZERO history in this country.
GO BACK TO YOUR DIRTY SHITHOLE
pereira_andrew anjan288 serica
"If your arguments are based on the 1962 war"
My arguments are based on TODAY. China has extended the lead against India. We are far more wealthy, healthy, prosperous, and strong today, than we were against India in the 60's.
This is a simple fact of life. Get over it.
"Indian air power is unrivalled in the region"
Please tell me you're joking. You can't actually believe this, can you?
India uses the MiG-27 and SEPECAT Jaguar for attack roles.
MiG-21, Mirage 2000, MiG-29, Su-30MKI, HAL Tejas are Fighters.
The MiG-27 and Jaguar are old as shit. India has been attempting to replace them with the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft. Where is it? Why is it experiencing NUMEROUS delays, like everything else Indian?
The Hal Tejas is 20 YEARS late, the AMCA is not going to even fly, and the rest of the aircraft are old, broken down, or both.
Face it, India would lost before it got it's aircraft off the ground.
KhanJi anjan288
"my friend the machine that you are using to read my comment and opening ur mouth chances are created by an indian"
Wait, the computer... WAS INVENTED BY AN INDIAN?
Oh. My. God. You have to actually take credit for other people's achievements because you have none. Sad and pathetic.
"NASA has over 30% indians"
Source please. And not an INDIAN source. I want a source that won't be biased. Go ahead. Give me an American source. Preferably one that came from NASA or another government agency.
Go ahead. I'm waiting.....
"your world known doctors and surgeons"
Nope. Wrong again. Indians are not even 10% of US doctors
"the fact is YOUR WHITE TRASH mentality wouldnt take you not even close to a priceless Indian Brain"
That priceless Indian brain is what created the nation of India.
WHAT A BEAUTIFUL COUNTRY! Thanks, I think I'll stick to White European civilization though.
Take your Indian brain back to India. We don't want them here.
MrBeverlyhills pereira_andrew anjan288 serica Now one can understand the difficulties faced by China to negotiate with India, as the latter never talks with a cool mind. India has territorial disputes with most of her neighbours (China, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Nepal, Myanmar and Sri Lanka); while China has settled its land borders with ALL its neighbours EXCEPT India.
Professor M. Taylor Fravel, a Sinologist at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology, has evaluated China’s approach to the resolution of territorial disputes. He concluded that China has had 23 territorial conflicts with other states, but has used force in only a few, while in 17 of these conflicts China has compromised or offered concessions.
In essence, China’s willingness to compromise in settling territorial issues derives from Chinese philosophy on governance. It can be attributed to the “good neighbor policy,” which regards relations with a close neighbor as more important than those with a distant relative.
Chinese rulers have never preferred coercion or war as a means of resolving conflict. Rather, these have been viewed as a means of last resort. Wars, regardless of their purpose, would result in hatred and endless confrontation, and were thus to be avoided.
In modern times, when the Chinese did engage in skirmishes with other countries, such as the Soviet Union or India, they never called these “wars.” Instead they referred to them as defensive or punishing actions. When China did take aggressive action it never pushed it to the point of full occupation. This was shown in its border wars with India in 1962, with the Soviet Union in 1969 and with Vietnam in 1979. China did not go so far as to occupy the Indian or Vietnamese capitals in order to save face for those countries.
Worth mentioning is that modern Chinese leaders have inherited this ancient thinking and integrated it with their “new security concept,” a term that originates with the Copenhagen School of security studies, which holds that the security of each actor in a region is interrelated with the security of other actors. This new security concept also goes along with the interdependence theory in the era of globalization. Chinese leaders have increasingly become aware that sovereignty cannot be constrained to regaining or seizing their lost territories. To some extent, the capability of exercising force is needed for multinational engagement and participation in regional and global security.
MrBeverlyhills nrmr44 anjan288 OK, so you are descended from the dregs of Europe who couldn't make a living in their own country, the sludge at the bottom. Except that your line did not progress after emigrating as the others did. Your general level of knowledge, and your language, shows you are certainly not educated. Since you are disadvantaged both by descent and self-improvement, I can only presume you are under-evolved. Have you tried going back to the trees, Simian Sam? It's a natural fit, by all evidence! Or maybe you prefer walking among humans at the end of a Chinese leash? Welcome, we find you entertaining!
nrmr44 anjan288 What a moronic thing to say! I am descended from conquerors and adventurers. The people who created the most powerful and influential nation in the history of mankind. They were geniuses, not idiots as you suggested.
But I guess those genetically inferior Indians that keep coming to our countries are "descended from the dregs of {India}, who couldn't make a living in their own country, the sludge at the bottom"
Which, if so, would mean that the Indians who are still there (about 1.3 billion of them) would have a nation much more successful than that of the US, or other European/European-derived countries.
India doesn't even reach close to the standard of living in Europe. In fact, it's much closer to Africa.
Also, my pedigree is over 2,000 years old. How long can you trace your ancestry? 50 years? 100? You are nothing.
MrBeverlyhills nrmr44 anjan288 hahah again ahahahhhahah descended from conquerors? since when robbers and looters have become conquerors? and which nation are you talking about USA? such an idiotic thing to say given the fact that there have been empires much more dangerous, huge as well much more advance of their time then the US OR CURRENT CIVILIZATION WHEREVER IT MAY BE....as for the sludge at the bottom, if India was a sludge why the fuck you ppl even occupied and looted india in the 18th century? In its entire history of over 7000 years India has never been an agressor. WE THE INDIANS defeated your ALEXANDER THE SHITHEAD and the mongols in entirety, and YOU ARE SAYING WE HAVE A HISTORY OF 50 YEARS.....go back to school shithead and take history course maybe some knowledge gets in ur brain..
MrBeverlyhills nrmr44 anjan288 also btw is your brain labels MADE IN CHINA too????.......just asking!!
MrBeverlyhills nrmr44 anjan288
MrBeverlyHills - Get a life dude and try to get some work done before your job is taken by an Indian ( who in your opinion is a scum of the earth and comes from a shit hole); I won't argue with that because it's not worth it and anyone who knows the Indian culture and Indian people would beg to differ. But I"m just so surprised by your general hatred of Indians and misconception that your history and pedigree is greater than everyone else's. I understand that your wife is Chinese ( nothing against Chinese people, I think they are hard working honest individuals) and maybe the reason you are patronizing them. I think this is a fair article, it's calling something that has happened and showing the world the dangers of a communist government - we all agree no matter how much high your pedigree is that communism doesn't work and your great history/pedigree should know that. Maybe brush up on your history and see the communist regimes of the past.
Now please get back to work or if you are unemployed than continue enjoying the free social security benifits/ unemployments benefits that you really don't deserve and which is partly paid for through taxes by the scums of the earths who come from shitholes.
Peace out.
KhanJi nrmr44 anjan288 "why the fuck you ppl even occupied and looted india in the 18th century"
Well, we also occupied negroid Africa. Doesn't exactly mean they were 'great' people.
lovelifeplease nrmr44 anjan288 "we all agree no matter how much high your pedigree is that communism doesn't work"
Anyone who thinks that China is communist is severely lacking in a basic education. And they say Americans are stupid...
I'm a high net worth individual. I don't want my tax money being spent on people I don't know. I'm a Libertarian, not a communist.
Do you know the difference?
"Now please get back to work or if you are unemployed than continue enjoying the free social security benifits/ unemployments benefits that you really don't deserve and which is partly paid for through taxes by the scums of the earths who come from shitholes."
MORON, the benefits are paid, at GUNPOINT, by me, to your people.
I make more in a week than the average Indian in a lifetime. And I'm taxed on it, and that money is sent to countries like India, where the average life expectancy is under 65.
I have to keep making money so that it can be sent to a bunch of dirty poor Africans and Indians.
MrBeverlyhills Mr. Beverly Hills just moved from LA Chinatown around the corner of Shanghai port adjacent with the pig floating river covered under dreadful silhouette sky. Is that right Mr. Wannabe?!!!
anjan288 serica
Relax friends. There is no need for another conflict with anyone. We have more important and more potent problem within India: poverty, economy and corruption. We are more threatened by our internal enemies than any external one
Vnket anjan288 serica So does China.
BennyB
Why are you following me?
Do you not have anything better to do in your life?
MrBeverlyhills cool bro...dont show out your frustration going out and killing innocent school kids like you white guys do daily!!!
ThisIsIrony Daily? No... Every 6 months someone in America. Look at Europe. Not very violent huh?
Indians and Pakis need to stop raping every woman they come across. This rape epidemic may have to make us White men deport your lot back to whence you came. Can't have our women being raped by a bunch of animalistic savages now can we?
MrBeverlyhills Look who is talknig about rape statistics...just because rape has gained a lot of media hype in India doensn't mean US is a good child. US is still by far the most dangerous country ( even projecting unreported cases in all countries and comparing them)...u whites have killed millions of original american, aborigines...then raped millions while u had colonialism.....nuked countries. U talk about moral right. Also racism is such a stupid concept....just because u have a white skin entitles u to have some pride and moral right over all other races is simply stupid.
Also in the next 20 years, muslims will be majority in UK and will ask for sharia law....Asians will dominate in the US over the white majority, lets see where ur pride is going now....
anjan288 serica China (Qing, KMT or CCP governments) NEVER wants war with India. (Read Neville Maxwell's book on the India's China War if you want to talk about the 1962 conflict.) Reading from Calcutta's The Telegraph, there is apparently no "Line of Actual Control" in the disputed region that is mutually acknowledged by India and the PRC. Instead, there are two "Lines of Perception". The Chinese claim they control a swath of land 10 km thisaway and the Indians claim they control a 10 km swath of land thataway. So there's a 10-km wide band of unpopulated and desolate wasteland whose "actual control" could be up for grabs. In the past, both sides have patrolled this no-man's land but make a point of not setting up permanent facilities inside it so that the zone would not become focus of a competitive exercise in asserting control, and part of a wider fracas. Until now. It is not a matter of dispute that the PLA has moved troops into the area. But the troops are camping out in tents for now - non-permanent facilities in keeping with the traditional live-and-let-live precedent for the area. The 4 Chinese tents set up there was to demand that the Indian government dismantle bunkers and other permanent installations in the area. Permanent installations could very possibly represent an effort by the Indian military to transform "perceived control" of the disputed zone into "actual control". Now who is the provoker and aggressor, and disturbed the peace?
serica What do you expect from a piece of junk written by a junior intern (Alexander Sullivan)? Even India's colonial master could not dispute Tibet being part of China, and this intern author just tried hard to cook the book to deny the historical facts. He could even dare to say that this is a disputed border, and continue to say that it is China's intrusion into India's territory - in the same paragraph. This intern author just take side with the Indian story and did not even make any attempt verify if it is a fact or a lie. Foreign Policy should improve its quality control to weed out junks like this.
JDenverPeaceYou hit the point, Foreign Policy really need to improve its quality.
This intern author has no knowledge at all about the 1913 Simla convention, while discribing Tibet as then independent in 1914.
hxy300 Don't you know that the so-called Simla Conference was called by the then India's colonial master to steal the land of Tibet - a reversal of British 1908 policy? Don't you know that China (then KMT) objected to that "agreement", protested it by walking out of the conference? Don't you know that your colonial master has disowned the "Simla Accord" and indeed recognised Chinese full sovereignty over Tibet. The British Foreign Office said "it means that, as far as Britain is concerned, 'Tibet is part of China. Full stop.'" India may not be capable enough to master the British national art of "divide and rule" and is doomed to big failure.
lets see, you got india beefin with china and india beefin with pakistan, who is beefin with turkey, who is beefin with russia, who is beefin with china, who is beefin with korea and japan, while everyone is beefin with israel, and the good ol' USA. while that not happening climate change is not going on....
uh, i think this movie doesn't end well.