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Genetics Might Be Settling The Aryan Migration Debate, But Not How Left-Liberals Believe -- Anil Kumar Suri

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  • I reproduce below the full article of Anil Kumar Suri rebutting the claims made by Tony Joseph in a sensational report in The Hindu.

  • Science reporting is clearly not the forte of Tony. The credibility of his report can be seen from the gross error he makes in explaining a key genetic phenomenon called mtDNA. Tony calls it mtDNA = Matrilineal DNA whereas mtDNA = Mitochondrial DNA (PS: Mitochondria are the power houses of cells).

Gyaneshwer Chaubey, a renowned geneticist has argued that India is lacking ancient DNA data, nothing can be conclusive at this moment. He has further stated that with the present data, the conclusions AND consensus of genetic studies are that Indians share a ‘common ancestry’ with Europe, C. Asia, the Caucasus, Middle East but it is not clear at all that they (Indians or European, C Asia, the Caucasus and the Middle East) are ancestral of them (Indians or European, C Asia, the Caucasus and the Middle East).

Motivated journalists engage in sensationalism and biased interpretations of journalistic reports on genetic studies, with little regard to the nuances of genetic researches and the problems with Y chromosome analyses (apart from R1a and mtDNA).

A three volume work on Epigraphia Indus SCript -- Hypertexts & Meanings is coming out soon. This presents over 7000  inscriptions of the civilization which settles the language problem of Bhāratīya sprachbund (language union). This will put at rest the Tony Joseph types of misinterpretations about the foundations and evolution of Sanskrit and ALL Bhāratīya languages, from ca. 5th millennium BCE of the Bronze Age Eurasia.

Prof. B.B. Lal, former Director General of the Archaeological Survey of India (1968-1972), a scholar deeply interested in the Aryan Debate has published many books on the topic. His latest book, The Rigvedic People: Invaders?, Immigrants? or Indigenous?, published in 2015, by Aryan Books International, Pooja Apartments, 4B Ansari Road, New Delhi, 110002, (email: aryanbooks @gmail.com), deals exhaustively with the subject. Interested researches should read this work.

In this context, it must also be added that no scholar, Indian or International, has contradicted Prof. BB Lal's conclusions. Based on concrete archaeological and Rigvedic evidence, Prof. Lal's conclusion is that the Aryans were neither invaders nor  immigrants, but indigenous.

Anyone who holds that Aryans came to India from outside has the responsibility of  pointing out the archaeological culture which corresponds to their arrival. 

A note on the limitations of genetic studies: The studies do not provide a very accurate dating with statements such as "sometime around 2,000 BC – 1,500 BC".

The genetic studies do not deterministically identify languages or cultures of ancient peoples. Pots don't speak. Genes also don't speak. Hence, linking genetic data to statements about migrations of language speakers will result in faulty science reporting or faulty evaluation of ancient cultural history of civilizations.

Chaubey did NOT agree to associate himself as a co-author for the article of Silva et al. Let us await the R1 studies of Gyaneshwer Chaubey and his associate geneticists to find more genetic pointers to the population movements of ancient peoples of Eurasia.

S. Kalyanaraman
Sarasvati Research Centre June 20, 2017



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  • Genetics Might Be Settling The Aryan Migration Debate, But Not How Left-Liberals Believe
    Given the importance of Aryan migration in the Indian history, it is necessary to challenge the one-sided presentation of facts in a recent article . There seems to be much that is questionable in its approach, and this deserves scrutiny.

    Writing in The Hindu, Tony Joseph has claimed that genetics has very “sure-footedly” resolved the debate about whether there was a migration of Indo-European people (“Aryans”) into the subcontinent around 2000-1500 BCE – apparently, the “unambiguous answer” is yes. To anyone with a nodding acquaintance with the literature in the area, such an assertion is unfounded. Given the sheer importance of this topic to Indian history, it is necessary to challenge Joseph’s one-sided presentation of facts. There also seems to be 

  • Conclusions decided upon in advance?
    Ironically, after saying that the dominant narrative so far that genetics had “disproved” Aryan immigration had not been nuanced, he abandons nuance himself.

    Noting the clear slant in his article, and his quoting of Razib Khan, who was sacked as a columnist by the New York Times apparently for racist views, I got in touch with Dr Gyaneshwer Chaubey, senior scientist at the Estonian Biocentre, Tartu, and a widely-published scholar in the area. Indeed, Chaubey is a co-author with Peter Underhill (whom Joseph quotes) of the 2015 study on the R1a haplogroup that Joseph cites in his article.
    To my surprise, it turned out that that Joseph had contacted Chaubey and sought his opinion for his article. Chaubey further told me he was shocked by the drift of the article that appeared eventually, and was extremely disappointed at the spin Joseph had placed on his work, and that his opinions seemed to have been selectively omitted by Joseph – a fact he let Joseph know immediately after the article was published, but to no avail.
    Having known Chaubey’s views for some time now – especially that the origin of the R1a is far from settled – I was not surprised to hear this. This in itself gives the lie to Joseph’s claims of the “unambiguous conclusions” of genetics about the hypothetical Aryan immigration.
    Mitochondrial DNA vs Y-chromosomal DNA
    Joseph claims that we only had mitochondrial (mt-) DNA (which is inherited from the mother) analysis till recently, which failed to capture the fact that it may have been mostly Aryan males who migrated first to the subcontinent and intermarried with the native women. This, apparently, has been conclusively established by a recent “avalanche” of Y-chromosomal DNA (which is inherited exclusively by sons from their fathers) data, which shows a Bronze Age gene flow into the subcontinent. This remark seems to suggest an embarrassing lack of familiarity with the literature.
    Also, does Joseph seriously imagine geneticists would not have envisaged the possibility of males spearheading a migration all along? The first suggestion that Y-chromosomal DNA analysis may be making a case for Indo-European immigration, and the proposal that the R1a haplogroup (M17) may be a marker for this migration, was made as early as 2001.
    This was subsequently contradicted in 2006 in a seminal Y-chromosomal DNA study by a group that included Richard Villems, Toomas Kivisild and Mait Metspalu, also of the Estonian Biocentre, and among the leading authorities in this area (Kivisild has since moved to Cambridge, but Villems and Metspalu are Chaubey’s current colleagues at Tartu). Villems and Kivisild were, in fact, co-authors in the 2001 paper I just mentioned, but revised their view about a migration after a fresh analysis of more extensive data.
    This paper, concluded, “It is not necessary, based on the current evidence, to look beyond South Asia for the origins of the paternal heritage of the majority of Indians at the time of the onset of settled agriculture. The perennial concept of people, language, and agriculture arriving to India together through the northwest corridor does not hold up to close scrutiny. Recent claims for a linkage of haplogroups J2, L, R1a, and R2 with a contemporaneous origin for the majority of the Indian castes’ paternal lineages from outside the subcontinent are rejected...”
    The “dominant narrative” that Joseph talks about actually stems from this study, and I’m not sure he is qualified to dismiss it as “a bit of a stretch”. This study, which has never really been contradicted, is, in fact, published in a much more respected journal than BMC Evolutionary Biology from where Joseph cites Martin Richards’ paper. This is significant, as good studies in this area have generally found a place in highly-ranked journals, even if they have arrived at diverging conclusions.
    Indeed, this itself would suggest there are very eminent geneticists who do not regard it as settled that the R1a may have entered the subcontinent from outside. Chaubey himself is one such, and is not very pleased that Joseph has not accurately presented the divergent views of scholars on the question, choosing, instead to present it as done and dusted.
    The R1a haplogroup
    There are some inherent issues in regarding the R1a as a marker for any hypothetical Indo-European migration.
    Firstly, Iranian populations, who are also speakers of the Indo-Iranian family of languages like most North Indians, have very little R1a. Also, tribal groups like the Chenchus of Andhra Pradesh and the Saharias of Madhya Pradesh show anomalously high proportions of R1a. The Chenchus speak a Dravidian language, and the Saharias an Austro-Asiatic one (though they have recently adopted Indo-European languages).
    They are hunter-gatherer peoples who remained stunningly isolated without admixing much with other population groups, and consequently, their lifestyles have remained startlingly unchanged for millennia, as they would have been before the start of settled agriculture.
    The best that studies which argued that the R1a could be used as a marker for the hypothetical Indo-European migration could do was to simply ignore these groups as aberrations. But is that very convincing? Note that it is possible – no, almost certainly the case – there were many tribal communities with high proportions of R1a that, unlike the Chenchus and Saharias, were assimilated into the caste matrix over the millennia. So how correct is it to link the R1a with an Indo-European migration?
    Significantly, Richards et al acknowledge Chaubey’s “critical advice” with their manuscript. That seems like a euphemism for saying that Chaubey (and, by extension, the Tartu school) had reservations about their conclusions, which is probably why he is not a co-author. So what should one make of Joseph’s claim that geneticists have “converged” on an answer?
    If Underhill expressly stated to Joseph that he has now reversed his published position that there has been no significant genetic influx to Asia from Europe, indeed specifically that he is now convinced the R1a entered the subcontinent from outside, Joseph bafflingly does not reproduce this statement in his article.
    The statement Joseph actually quotes merely points out that we have better data now, but that is not the same thing. Joseph also cites his 2015 paper, in which Chaubey is a co-author, but this paper actually underscores the limits of current technology, and says their data is too preliminary to jump to conclusions about migrations and culture shifts.
    The genetic data at present resolution shows that the R1a branch present in India is a cousin clade of branches present in Europe, Central Asia, Middle East and the Caucasus; it had a common ancestry with these regions which is more than 6000 years old, but to argue that the Indian R1a branch has resulted from a migration from Central Asia, it should be derived from the Central Asian branch, which is not the case, as Chaubey pointed out.
    In other words, contrary to what Joseph claims, as the Y-chromosomal DNA data stands today, there is no support for a recent migration into the subcontinent.
    Ancestral North Indians (ANI) and Ancestral South Indians (ASI)
    Joseph continues to tilt at windmills when talking about the ANI / ASI construct of David Reich et al., who used analysis autosomal DNA, which is different from mt- and Y-chromosomal DNA.
    Joseph writes, “...this theoretical structure was stretched beyond reason and was used to argue that these two groups came to India tens of thousands of years ago, long before the migration of Indo-European language speakers that is supposed to have happened only about 4,000 to 3,500 years ago.”
    One doesn’t know what to make of this. It was geneticists – including Lalji Singh and K Thangaraj who were Reich’s co-authors in the paper which proposed the ANI/ASI construct – who argued that the ANI and ASI are considerably more than 12,500 years old, and not the result of any recent migration.
    He then goes on to quote David Reich arguing in favour of a migration from the Steppe around 2500 BCE. Once again, Joseph presents this view as the last word on the subject, although not all geneticists agree.
    For instance, Partha Majumdar and co-workers have very recently come up with quite different conclusions in the journal, Human Genetics: “In contrast to the more ancient ancestry in the South than in the North that has been claimed, we detected very similar coalescence times within Northern and Southern non-tribal Indian populations. A closest neighbour analysis in the phylogeny showed that Indian populations have an affinity towards Southern European populations and that the time of divergence from these populations substantially predated the Indo-European migration into India, probably reflecting ancient shared ancestry rather than the Indo-European migration, which had little effect on Indian male lineages (emphasis mine).”
    The Evidence From Archaeology
    Since Joseph believed he was shocking those who believed genetic analysis had disproved Aryan immigration theories, I shall return the favour.
    Hypotheses of migrations of Bronze Age populations into the subcontinent fall afoul of archaeological evidence. Paradoxically, as I have described earlier, bronze itself goes missing from the archaeological record for several centuries that are supposed to correspond to the settling of the Bronze Age Indo-Europeans into the subcontinent. As one of the foremost authorities in the archaeology of the Indus Valley Civilisation, Professor Jonathan Mark Kenoyer of the University of Wisconsin points out, this actually reflects a prolonged lack of contact of the subcontinent with the regions the Aryans are supposed to have entered from.
    Also, geological evidence shows that the Ghaggar-Hakra river, along whose channels numerous Harappan sites have been discovered, was the River Saraswati described in the Vedas and other ancient literature; indeed, the team of geologists led by Peter D Clift which carried out the geological studies asserted that the descriptions of the Saraswati in those texts was remarkably accurate, as I wrote in an earlier article.
    Such findings negate the Aryan immigration model, establish the overlap (if not identity) of the Indus Valley and Vedic cultures, and push back the dates for the composition of the Vedic and other literature considerably.
    Agriculture In Subcontinent Indigenous, Autochthonous
    There is clear evidence of continuous inhabitation of the Gangetic plain from the Pleistocene. It is also abundantly clear that agriculture was developed indigenously, autochthonously, based on exploiting local resources, at multiple centres on the subcontinent – the Saraswati-Indus region, the Gangetic plain, Eastern, Central and Peninsular India – in a natural progression from a hunting-gathering lifestyle to a sedentary one, with no external stimulus, but with strong interaction between various regions of the subcontinent themselves right from the earliest Neolithic.
    The myth that the founding of agriculture, whether in the Indus Valley or elsewhere in the subcontinent, is owed to migrations from West Asia (the so-called Fertile Crescent) is not supported by archaeological evidence.
    Based on current evidence, whether genetic or archaeological, Joseph’s conclusion that, “...we are a multi-source civilization, not a single-source one, drawing its cultural impulses, its tradition and practices from a variety of lineages and migration histories,” is quite simply totally wrong.
    One cannot impressed by Joseph’s quoting of a blogger with a very questionable history like Razib Khan, while selectively omitting the comments of a known scholar in the area like Dr Gyaneshwer Chaubey after having sought them himself.
    Can one be sure he has not interviewed other scholars, but left out their views from his article as they didn’t suit his pre-determined agenda – or just didn’t interview scholars he felt held such views?
    Joseph and others like him are welcome to write on any topic they please, and are even free to take sides in line with their prejudices. Indeed, all he has done is to paint a very recent paper in a not particularly highly-ranked journal as the final word in the debate, while coolly ignoring well-regarded studies which arrive at differing conclusions in significantly higher-ranked journals.
    Anil Kumar is a materials scientist.
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    I came across that article in The (Anti-) Hindu. I didn't trust the author. I'm glad you've debunked it. Thank you.


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        It's an alternate viewpoint, not a debunking. The consensus among scholars worldwide is exactly that which Joseph presented in the Hindu article.


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            If you can't refute an argument, I guess you resort to the leftist tradition of proof through repetition of lies.


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                Not at all. First of all the migrations have nothing to do with cultural or linguistic migration. Consensus is not a fact.


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                    Consensus is not a fact.
                    Is that supposed to be an argument? Of course, when you have an inherently uncertain discipline like ancient history, there are no "facts" at the same level as, say, the laws of physics. But we do the best we can. We weave picture that explains the maximal evidence at our disposal. That's what a consensus means. There can always be minority opinions. AIT happens to be a majority opinion among scholars worldwide, and OIT a minority one. Why? Because the former fits more of the evidence than the latter. It's impossible at this point in time to completely disprove either one of those theories.
                    Thing about global warming. There's a consensus on that too. But it isn't a 100% slam dunk either. Which is why global warming deniers exist. They can also say "consensus is not a fact" and dodge the argument, can they not?


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                    King? No! May be a StewardOfGondor or a run away Orc!


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                        You are an anti national, who cant digest the fact that Aryans never migrated to India. In fact, its the Indians who migrated out of India and settled in central asia. Suri is right in debunking the narrative. His logic is beyond reproach.


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                            Don't contradict us. You are an anti national if you do so.




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                          Tony Joseph writes:
                          mtDNA = Matrilineal DNA whereas
                          mtDNA = Mitochondrial DNA (PS: Mitochondria are the power houses of cells)
                          That shows how much thehindu.com article is "science" based and how much is pre-conceived bias. I highly appreciate Anil Kumar Suri's article


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                            Great article. But the personal attack on Razib Khan was unnecessary. Whatever his views or AIT - Razib Khan is an intellectually honest person.


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                                Could you exactly explain how he is intellectually honest?


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                                    He is not a 'left' liberal. He is an honest liberal. He is on twitter - search for his name and Islam on twitter and read his views/ tweets on Islam.


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                                        While I am not knowledgeable enough to justify AD's impression that I too share, I think the otherwise erudite author seeking to draw inferences from the NYT (or more appropriately, the "failing NYT") firing Razib for being "apparently racist" was a weak point, especially given that it was a hit job in SJW shit-lib magazine gawker that inspired to the decision:
                                        In other words, what I am saying is: don't take something for granted because elite American liberals say so. They are not our friends at all.
                                        Also, it is not too honest to describe Razib as just a blogger when he is a doctoral candidate in genomics and genetics; see his publication record.
                                        All this said, I appreciate the article, it takes so much courage to stand up and make a serious attempt against a Hindu-phobic academia, and I also hope Sanjiv Sannyal gets more top guns to write supporting articles as he said so on twitter. Kudos to the author.


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                                            Elite American conservative racist whites are not our friends either, and Razib Khan thinks their racialist long-debunked pseudoscience is worthy of scientific investigation. Just because someone criticizes Islam doesn't make all of their other opinions valid.


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                                                Well, we can always debunk the genetic theory. After all its not part of our culture. If Sanjiv Sanyal says the genetic theory and its interpretation is wrong, then that is the absolute truth as he is an intellectual par excellence.


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                                              I stopped trusting even the obituary advts. in THE HINDU a long time back.


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                                                I look forward to a scientific paper coming out of Harvard which proves using genetic science that Masala Dosa is actually an import from Italy, while Vada Pav was first made in Russia.
                                                Tony Joseph confuses genetics with culture. There is such a thing as Indian culture, which is unique, native and cannot be replicated elsewhere. The kind of puff piece he writes is used often to essentially argue "If they came in from outside to establish themselves, so can we (Abrahamic faith types esp.)". No. we are not all migrants. There is a native Indian culture. It is unique to India, and has an identity not replicated elsewhere. It is diverse, but the roots are native. It is not a borderless world. Least of all in India, bounded as she is by the oceans and the mountains. Show me one Central Asian country that replicates Indian social order, customs and language, and I will keep away from writing forever. And how exactly can genetic studies prove, convincingly, that people with a certain DNA spoke Sanskrit? Is language wired to genes? Jesus Christ, the extent people go to!


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                                                    Spot on! All this genetic study rubbish is an evil plot to undermine our tradition and culture. We should be careful of the evil Abrahamic cult which is using pseudo science of Genetics to rubbish India and its culture.


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                                                        Tony Joseph confuses genetics with culture.
                                                        He does no such thing. He was quite careful to describe exactly what is supported by recent genetic research; no more, no less. The evidence we have currently is consistent with Indo-Europeans migrating into India and spreading their language (eventually), and to some extent their genes (e.g., R1a). But all underpinnings of the Hindu/Vedic civilization are still likely indigenous to the Indian subcontinent. the Vedas were composed in India, not by foreigners, but by the descendants of a great mixing of some foreigners with a lot of older "natives". So there is absolutely something called Indian culture which is wholly indigenous in origin. Make sense?


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                                                            Oh come on, dear sir.
                                                            Tony Joseph, in his final statement in the article, just whitewashes his argument with the flourish "We are all migrants" - the clear implication being none, absolutely none, of what is called Indian culture is truly native. That, I call a travesty and I have issue with. It is a political statement. Nothing more, nothing less.
                                                            Thank you for your clarification in the remainder, sir. If one was talking about Hindi/Urdu, then I could agree with your statement. Language is the ultimate expression of culture (ask the DMK about that!). So, somehow concluding that genetic evidence suggests that a particular group of migrants spoke a particular language (Kwechwa, Hausa, Sanskrit, any other extinct language), does mix genetics with culture. If its not Tony Joseph doing it, it is probably the studies he references. According to the above write-up, he seems to have done the job half-heartedly even.
                                                            The news about this study is actually a few weeks old, and I read the research paper soon enough - I will admit my scientific knowledge is marginal; but I am ok with English, and can read voluminous tomes.
                                                            The paper starts by regurgitating existing hypotheses and conclusions on the subject, together with a hodgepodge lesson in speculative history and then proceeds to align the evidence they collect against those hypotheses and conclusions. To call it a conclusive study is grandstanding of the extreme variety. I would argue migrations of people and languages have occurred even more recently in history than the scientific journals study; Ghori, Ghazni, Alexander, Parsis all of the lot.
                                                            The moot point of Tony Joseph's article and, at its source, the studies he references, is to somehow castrate Sanskrit out of her Indian roots. It is not Sanskrit, to begin with. Samskrita Vak, or refined speech, is an Indian creation. Not replicated elsewhere. To bin it as a liturgical language, then panning religion, like the leftists do, is to kill an important part of Indian cultural history. And to assuage "hurt emotions" by saying Hindu/Vedic civilization still originated in India is pointless, for "Hindu" exists as a group in India only as a cognate to those other self-identified religious groups of the Abrahamic variety.
                                                            I notice I have gone on a rant, but with issues like the ones Tony Joseph and the ilk address, they are all tinderboxes - one linked to another to another. How one can draw a "conclusive" conclusion on not just caste origins, but also language and liturgy, based on studies of chemicals (essentially) is still beyond me. I am being educated as I read more.

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                                                                We are all migrants
                                                                Perhaps Joseph was talking about Indians, but this actually applies to virtually every population in the world. Let me state at the outset that I am not emotionally attached to one narrative or the other (I really don't care if the Indo-Aryans originated in India or came from abroad; I'll just go where the evidence takes me.) But a lot of Indians seem to be invested in the idea that the Aryans didn't come from elsewhere. Well, according to that theory (the AIT), Europeans are not synonymous with Aryans either. Basically, the old hypothesized Indo-Europeans don't exist anymore. They spread from their steppe lands, and migrated/invaded all the peripheral regions of Eurasia, and mixed heavily with the local populations. In India, that meant indigenous Indians, in Iran, indigenous Iranians, in various parts of Europe, indigenous Europeans of different kinds. So even if this theory were to be true, it by no means lends support to Eurocentrism or white supremacy. And isn't that what a lot of Indians are (implicitly) protesting?


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                                                            AIT is a false construct by the colonialists. Their slaves still use it for their petty agendas.


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                                                              Thank you Anil Kumar and Swarajyamag, for this piece.


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                                                                  Pseudo-liberals have penetrated archaeology, history writing, linguistics and cultural studies to support their agenda of AIT. Now they are afraid that genetics will bring down their whole pack of lies crumbling. Very till recently, Romila Thapar was sceptical of genetical studies and markers....not that she understands true scientific research. Now they finally realize that genetics is indeed on the verge of demolishing AIT forever, they are scrambling to infiltrate this area also. No wonder a concerted campaign is beginning aided by the usual suspects to hoodwink people.


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                                                                      Genetics is a pseudo-science which cant prove anything. There has never been an Aryan invasion or immigration. All the knowledge has originated from India. Our vedas clearly say so. We dont need any genetic study to know the truth.


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                                                                        All this research could be slanted to give credibility to hypothetical British view of Central Asian migration to India. That is what has been deliberately done to slant DNA analysis.



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