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Chernobyl: The catastrophe that never ended

Nearly 30 years after the explosion, Bob Simon travels to Ukraine and discovers the reactor still has the power to kill

The following is a script of "Chernobyl" which aired on Nov. 23, 2014. Bob Simon is the correspondent. Michael Gavshon and David Levine, producers.
Some tragedies never end. Ask people to name a nuclear disaster and most will probably point to Fukushima in Japan three years ago. The nuclear meltdown at Chernobyl in Ukraine was 30 years ago, but the crisis is still with us today. That's because radiation virtually never dies. After the explosion in 1986, the Soviets built a primitive sarcophagus, a tomb to cover the stricken reactor. But it wasn't meant to last very long and it hasn't. Engineers say there is still enough radioactive material in there to cause widespread contamination. For the last five years a massive project has been underway to seal the reactor permanently. But the undertaking is three quarters of a billion dollars short and the completion date has been delayed repeatedly. Thirty years later, Chernobyl's crippled reactor still has the power to kill.
It's called the Zone and getting into it is crossing a border into one of the most contaminated places on Earth. The 20-mile no man's land was evacuated nearly 30 years ago. Drive to the center of the Zone today and you'll see a massive structure that appears to rise out of nowhere. It's an engineering effort the likes of which the world has never seen. With funds from over 40 different countries, 1,400 workers are building a giant arch to cover the damaged reactor like a casserole. It will be taller than the Statue of Liberty and wider than Yankee Stadium -- the largest movable structure on Earth. Nicholas Caille is overseeing the arch's construction.
Bob Simon: You know when you think about it, you have this massive project going on. All these people working here. Billions of dollars being spent because of one day 30 years ago.
Nicolas Caille: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. It was the biggest disaster of the nuclear industry, yes.



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The disaster was sparked by massive explosions that tore the roof off of Chernobyl's reactor number four, spewing radioactive dust into the atmosphere.
The Soviets drafted over half a million troops to put out the fire and clear the nuclear debris. Thousands got seriously ill from radiation exposure. Today, three decades later, the cleanup continues.
But as this recent video shows, the reactor is still packed with poison: heaps of gnarled steel and concrete, pools of nuclear fuel that have hardened into a dense mass called the "elephant's foot."
There's still so much radiation coming from the reactor that workers have to construct the arch nearly a thousand feet away, shielded by a massive concrete wall. When finished, the arch will be slid into place around the Sarcophagus, then sealed up.
Nicolas Caille: We will push it in once, the average speed it will be around 10 meters an hour. So it's approximately the speed of a snail.
Bob Simon: Right. But that's pretty rapid considering the size of this thing.
Nicolas Caille: It is. Yes, yes.
But the construction itself will have to move a lot quicker. The old plant and sarcophagus are falling apart. Just two years ago, a snow storm caused the roof of one of the buildings to collapse, forcing workers to be evacuated and raising fears of further contamination.

"This was a terrifying picture. It looked like a sunset in the distance, about 100, 200 yards from you."

Radiation is not subject to the usual rules of life and death. It is virtually eternal. When Caille took us on a tour of the site, we were fitted with dosimeters to tell us how much we were being exposed to. Suddenly, a sound we didn't want to hear.
Bob Simon: Hey, there's beepers going off.
Nicolas Caille: No, no. It's not. It's normal.
Bob Simon: You're sure?
Nicolas Caille: Yes, yes, yes. I'm definitively sure.
Bob Simon: I don't like a beeper in Chernobyl. I don't like that sound.
Building the arch under these conditions is challenging enough. But some of the biggest obstacles have nothing to do with radiation. As violence gripped Ukraine this year, one of the arch's contractors backed out. The project is also 770 million dollars short, and it has been plagued by repeated delays.
No matter when it's completed, vast stretches of the Zone will never recover. This is the city of Pripyat, two miles from the reactor. Thirty years ago, the population was 50,000. Today it is zero. Pripyat was where many of the plant's workers lived, grateful for their posting in a town that was the model of Soviet modernity.
Nine-story apartment buildings lined this boulevard. They're still there, but you can't see them anymore. The forest has taken over. A vision perhaps of what the whole world might look like were people to just disappear.
It was springtime in Pripyat that day in 1986, and an amusement park was due to open in a few days. Andre Glukhov lived here then.



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Bob Simon: So, that Ferris wheel never had any kids in it?
Andrey Glukhov: Never had any kids. These bumper cars, on your left, had never kids on it, too.
Bob Simon: When you talk to your former neighbors, what do you call it? The accident? the catastrophe?
Andrey Glukhov: We just call it 26, which was the date of the accident.
Bob Simon: Twenty-six?
Andrey Glukhov: Twenty-sixth of April.
Bob Simon: Sort of like the Americans call 9/11?
Andrey Glukhov: Exactly.
Back then, Glukhov worked for Chernobyl's nuclear safety division. He took us on a tour through a part of the plant that had not been destroyed. He was off duty that night, but what he saw when he drove past the damaged reactor was like nothing he, or anyone else, had ever seen.
[Andrey Glukhov: This is the control room...]
Andrey Glukhov: This was a terrifying picture. It looked like a sunset in the distance, about 100, 200 yards from you. And this was the glowing core of the reactor.
Bob Simon: That was the first and the only time you saw it?
Andrey Glukhov: No, that was the first time when I realized the scale of the disaster.
Glukhov told his family in Pripyat to stay inside and close the windows. Soviet authorities covered the area with secrecy, told people they had nothing to worry about. But 36 hours later, over a thousand busses were sent in to evacuate everyone. Authorities told people it would only be for three days -- one of many lies. The people never came back, and Pripyat is being overwhelmed by the elements. One of the only things still recognizable is that old Soviet iconography.
Drive through the Zone, and you'll find that many villages suffered the same fate as Pripyat. A row of simple markers has been planted with the names of each one.
But amidst this wilderness, the strangest sight of all. People, just a few. Ivan Ivanovitch and his wife Maria were evacuated to an apartment block near Kiev after the accident, but couldn't take it. They weren't made for the city, so two years later, they came back. Today, there are three other people living in this village... just a few miles from the old power plant.

"There certainly is evidence that some of the genetic damage that occurs at the level of the DNA can be transmitted from one generation to the next."

Bob Simon: When you decided to come back to live here, did anyone tell you it was dangerous?
Ivan Ivanovitch: It's really OK here. You know, when I lived in that apartment block, I got sick all the time. But when I came back here, I was fine. And I've been fine ever since.
Bob Simon: You should never leave home.
Ivan Ivanovitch: I would be long gone if I'd stayed there. I'd be in the ground.
Despite the danger, Tim Mousseau also chose to be here. For the last 15 years, the University of South Carolina biologist has been studying the contamination's impact from a makeshift lab inside the Zone.



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Bob Simon: Aren't many serious labs I've seen that look like this.
Tim Mousseau: Yeah this is an opportunistic lab. It's an old villager's house.
Mousseau's research has shown that the catastrophe continues to take its toll.
Tim Mousseau: And we're going to attempt to measure just how radioactive these mice are.
Bob Simon: What's the comparison between the amounts of radiation a mouse would have here and a mouse somewhere else?
Tim Mousseau: Some of these mice have on the order of 10,000 times more radioactivity in their bodies than in clean areas.
The human toll has been profound as well. Thyroid cancer and leukemia affected thousands -- though the exact number of deaths is still being debated.
Tim Mousseau: There certainly is evidence that some of the genetic damage that occurs at the level of the DNA can be transmitted from one generation to the next.
Bob Simon: So a nuclear disaster is never over?
Tim Mousseau: There will be areas that will be contaminated for thousands, if not millions, of years.
This makes the Zone like no other place on Earth, which is why it's attracting tourists. If you've done Paris and Rome, why not try a holiday in hell. Check out the apocalypse?



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Bob Simon: How did your friends react when you told them you were coming on vacation to Chernobyl?
David McHale: They thought it was very strange, you know. But, I mean, people have been coming here for a while, so you know, I guess it must be safe.
Bob Simon: You guess it must be safe. What makes you believe it's safe?
David McHale: Well, you know, I would assume that the guides wouldn't bring people here if it wasn't safe.
Bob Simon: All right, well, I hope you're right.
David McHale: So do I.
Thousands of workers flood into the Zone every day, to look after what remains of the plant. Others live here year-round, in one of the few places safe enough for inhabitants: the town of Chernobyl itself.
Yevgen Goncharenko was our guide. He lives here too.
Bob Simon: Why are you living here and not in Kiev?
Yevgen Goncharenko: Because I like this place. For me and it's very interesting maybe even sacred place for me.
Bob Simon: A sacred place?
Yevgen Goncharenko: For me, yeah.
He spends much of his time writing music on his bass guitar. Music as desolate as the landscape surrounding him. As desolate as the remains of this empire that has long since disappeared.
A decade after the disaster, workers here built a monument honoring their colleagues whose lives had been destroyed.



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Bob Simon: The workers and the firemen made the monument themselves?
Yevgen Goncharenko: Yeah, yeah, exactly. Yeah.
Bob Simon: And what does it say?
Yevgen Goncharenko: "To those who saved the world."
Bob Simon: "To those who saved the world."
That may sound a bit hyperbolic. But when the reactor exploded in 1986, radioactive dust and debris were carried as far away as Italy and Sweden. Until the arch finally seals up that stricken reactor, and no one knows when that might be, something like that could happen again. Unlike other historic relics, Chernobyl does not belong to the past; its power will never die. Chernobyl is forever.
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GRLCOWAN 
Readers of this story should also look up the Chernobyl youtube videos created by 'bionerd23'.



FUKU14 
The truth of Chernobyl has been covered up/denied/obfuscated since day one. USSR did this for 3 years, telling doctors to cover radiation related deaths and illnesses with other diagnoses. The UN investigators visited in 1991 and reported little/no danger, that you could eat the food produced there,etc. all the while eating food they had brought with them from unaffected areas. Such cover up continues in Japan today.
Perhaps the International Physicians for the Prevention of Nuclear War presents a more accurate picture. Or CHERNOBYL: Consequences for the People and the Environment, by Yablokov, et al, of course disparaged by some western scientists (who might be considered lackeys' for the Nuclear Establishment).
Children of Chernobyl International sends a team to Ukraine each year to treat *Chernobyl Heart", a condition in which children are born with a hole in the heart, and without operations, perhaps 1500 would die yearly. Radiation does not cause just leukemia or thyroid issues, affects almost every system in the body, including DNA, with damage passed on the succeeding generations.
Kofi Annan, UN Secretary-General in 2000, stated 7 million people were affected by Chernobyl and some allege a million have already died, but proof of that is probably impossible. Before Chernobyl, 80% if the children were healthy. Now perhaps 20% are healthy. Cesium and other radionuclides have contaminated the bio-system for hundreds of square miles, including plants and animals, which people eat, resulting in dangerous radioactivity in the body. Experts now monitor children's radioactivity level, and use things like pectin to flush cesium from their systems. 

The UN issued optimistic reports, the world breathed a sigh of relief, and turned its back on the tragedy of Chernobyl. 60 minutes view is only scratching the surface. One must dig for the truth. 






JERRY243 
@fuku14 Time will tell but there was a lot of academic firepower behind the UNSCEAR report.  If it makes any difference to you there are many survivors of hiroshima that are living long lives despite receiving doses of radiation many times greater than chernobyl.  Life is all about relative risk and the risk of chernobyl (outside of psychological) to people today is miniscule relative to many other activities of living, such as driving a car.  We live in a radioactive world and the radiation we are receiving today from the chernobyl explosion is a tiny tiny fraction of normal background radiation, which varies widely depending on where you live.






FUKU14 
@Jerry243 Time is already telling as indicated by CHERNOBYL, IPPNW, and other sources too often ignored or marginalized. I believe the UNSCEAR and other UN reports are based on 3-400 scientific sources and are often biased toward the nuclear industry, which does not like to publish the truth about the effects of continued low-level radiation. CHERNOBYL uses 5,000 reports and there are ca. 30,000 reports from Eastern scientists that have not been translated. 

Only in 2012, 26 years after the disaster, did the UK end restrictions on sheep, which previously had cesium levels too high for human consumption. Perhaps 100,000 plus people in the US were negatively affected by Chernobyl radiation, even fatally. And Fukushima may have disastrous results worse than Chernobyl. 100 children in Fukushima have thyroid cancer or thyroid issues, when normal incidence would be zero or in the single digits.

Cesium in childrens' urine in Tokyo--- At least one physician has left Tokyo and advised his patients to do likewise. Radiation-related deaths and illnesses in the Chernobyl region in the...thousands? Hundreds of thousands? I so not believe the effects are "miniscule" as you allege.

60 minutes should return to Chernobyl and talk to doctors and scientists who have been observing radiation effects for years--and trying to ameliorate it. Mousseau's studies are just the tip of the iceberg.



KSMIT2 
Chernobyl is bad, but probably not more dangerous than driving to the local convenience store. Anyone who has had more than a couple of CT scans, or X rays in a few months time has probably experienced the same amount or more radiation than described here. 



CREDIBILITY2 
Surprised to see this as a tourist attraction, that research goes on, and that some people live within the area.  



JERRY243 
Yes uranium is radioactive but as we all remember from our basic science class radioactivity level is inversely proportional to half life.  Therefore uranium is very weakly radioactive and is a very heavy metal therefore a good shielding material like lead.  The major health concern is with the highly radioactive fission products that were dispersed with the explosion.  Within 200 years the broader area will be resettled.  The melted reactor will be isolated and probably cleaned up with technology that will have been developed by then.  One thing they could do is convert the immediate area into a spent nuclear fuel storage facility, highly secured and isolated from the public.

That is the best case scenario in my opinion.  Who knows what Russia will do.



OHHHWOLFY 
I remember when this was happening from day one.
The story was very small, no more than 6 or 8 sentences. But each day that followed, the story got bigger and bigger until the story of Chernobyl became a major newspaper headline after about 4 or 5 days.



ONESHOTAL-2009 
nothing like pro nuclear energy neo-thals downplaying the accident at Chernobyl (see below), claiming that within a couple of hundred years the radiation will go 'away'. while this is mostly true for isotopes which were released during the fire at Chernobyl the core itself contains a large amount of U-235. U-235 has a half life of 703.8 million years. the Chernobyl reactor is a death trap. any sarcophagus put in place is only temporary and WILL eventually rot into the ground. generations from now people will die over todays stupidity and they wont know why. Welcome to the planet of the apes and the forbidden zone.






DIHYDROGEN_MONOXIDE 
with funds from 40 countries.

why isn't Russia paying for it? It was their screw up.






SABRE1111 

They are too busy invading Ukraine.







MISTGALE 
@sabre1111 @DiHydrogen_Monoxide  aCTUALLY THAT COULD BE AN ACT OF SABOTAGE. AS THEY EXPLAINED LATER - IT WAS SORT OF EXPERIMENT ON REACTOR THAT LED TO OVER HEATING AND EXPLOSION. NOT TECHNICAL FAULT OR ACCIDENT. 100% HANDMADE DISASTER. BY THIS TIME LOT OF TRAITORS (GORBY FOR ONE) REACHED HIGHEST RANKS OF SOVIET HIERARCHY AND THIS CATASTROPHY WAS NEEDED TO SHOW THE WEAKNESS OF SOVIET POWER.



MISTGALE 
@DiHydrogen_Monoxide  Why nobody asks japan to pay for spoiling the ocean. or Us FOR builDING this  shaky fukushima PLANT? ITS IMPACT ON ENVIRONMENT MAY BE AS HARMFULL OR MORE.



JERRY243 
Radiation does not last forever, radioactive elements have a finite radioactive half life.  The radiation around Chernobyl is already magnitudes less than 1986.

The land will not be uninhabitable forever.  Seven half lives of Cs137, the most important radioactive element at Chernobyl is around 200 years.  That is the time required for the activity to decay to levels at or very near normal background.

The United Nation Scientific UNSCEAR report from 2008 disputes your claim of thousands of cases of leukemia and lymphoma being caused by Chernobyl.  So far no increase is detectable in the general population.  The relief workers at the site (134) were affected and there also were a number of cases of thyroid cancer, because of the radioactive iodine, most of which survived.  The thyroid cancer was preventable but became a problem because the government did not evacuate the area immediately.

This is an example of sensational journalism that deals with a complex emotionally charged topic.  All the more reason to present an accurate analysis.








LBNJRETURNS! 
Seems like an awful lot of time, money and effort to protect what by all appearances seems like a relatively uninhabited place to begin with. Simon was correct to call it a "wilderness", but he left out the word "weird" just beforehand.  



NTHLEVEL 
If one were to eat 2 nanners  a day for a year, the banana equivalent dose (BED) would be about 700 BED of radiation exposure (equivalent to eating 2 each day over a period of 1 year).  The monkeys seem fine.
http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/chernobyl-the-catastrophe-that-never-ended


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNV5Sq28Mp4 Published on Nov 24, 2014
Earlier this year I had the opportunity to visit Chernobyl whilst working for CBS News on a '60 Minutes' episode which aired on Nov. 23, 2014. Bob Simon is the correspondent. Michael Gavshon and David Levine, producers.

For the full story cbsnews.com/news/chernobyl-the-catastrop­he-that-never-ended/

Chernobyl is one of the most interesting and dangerous places I've been. The nuclear disaster, which happened in 1986; the year after I was born, had an effect on so many people, including my family when we lived in Italy. The nuclear dust clouds swept westward towards us. The Italian police went round and threw away all the local produce and my mother rushed out to purchase as much tinned milk as possible to feed me, her infant son.

It caused so much distress hundreds of miles away, so I can't imagine how terrifying it would have been for the hundreds of thousands of Ukrainian citizens who were forced to evacuate.

During my stay, I met so many amazing people, one of whom was my guide Yevgen, also known as a 'Stalker'. We spent the week together exploring Chernobyl and the nearby abandoned city of Pripyat. There was something serene, yet highly disturbing about this place. Time has stood still and there are memories of past happenings floating around us.

Armed with a camera and a dosimeter geiger counter I explored...

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