28 November 2014
New findings raise an old question: Do South Indians belong to the Indus Valley Civilisation?
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http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/the-eternal-harappan-script-tease
BALLARI, November 5, 2014
Updated: November 5, 2014 07:42 IST
Drawings of Harappan era discovered near Hampi
As many as 20 drawings were found on a boulder on top of a hill near Talwarghatta, adjacent to river Tungabhadra.
Pictographs of the Sindu (Harappan) culture have been discovered on rocks near the world famous Hampi. As many as 20 drawings were found on a boulder on top of a hill near Talwarghatta, adjacent to river Tungabhadra.
Experts in Gondi script, including Dr. Moti Ravan Kangale and Sri Prakash Salame of Nagpur, have identified them as Sindu (Harappan) culture-based script in Gondi dialect.
Gond cultureThey also pointed out that such drawings are found in Chhattisgarh and also in interior structures of Gotuls (learning centres for youths) in Bastar region, K.M. Metry, Professor and Head Department of Tribal Studies, Hampi Kannada University told The Hindu.
“Dr. Kangale identified as many as five of the 20 pictographs of Gondi dialect – aalin (man), sary(road/way), nel (paddy), sukkum (star/dot), nooru (headman).
His observations strengthen the belief that Gond culture has been transmitted to the Tungabhadra basin,” Prof. Metry said. Prof. Metry felt that with this discovery, there was need for a thorough research to find out Gotuls in and around Hampi.
Decipherment of INDUS VALLEY script in GONDI language
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Dr Motiravan Kangale who had claimed deciphering the Harappa script relating it to the ancient tribal Gondi script, are helping decipher the writing found in Hampi, Metry said. The discovery was made near Talwara Ghatta on the way to Vijaya Vittala Temple in the UNESCO World Heritage Site.
“Dr Kangale and Salame were in Hampi between August 24 and 29 for a seminar on the Gondi language. I took them to these writings. On the spot, Kangale was able to decipher five of the 20 characters,” Metry said. The professor said that the symbols resemble symbols on the famous Pasupati Seal found in Mohenjo-Daro. “There are other such writings of symbols similar to these in other places in Hampi. Once all are studied, we can prove that the Harappans migrated to South India and a crucial link in our prehistory can be established.”
However, historians are calling for caution. Eminent historian Dr S Shettar said, “Recently there were claims of a Harappan engraving on a piece of stone in Tamil Nadu. But unlike a rock face, stone pieces and seals can travel long distances. In this case too, we need very solid evidence. If the discovery is true, it is wonderful. But it has to be viewed very carefully. From about 2000 BCE when the Harappan/Indus civilisation ended and the times of Ashoka in the 3rd Century BCE, we do not have clarity of the continuity in Indian history. The Indus civilisation has been demarcated as Early, Mature and Late Harappan.
“But the writings found there are not as clearly demarcated. Even the true nature of the Harappan writings is in question. So if you find a discovery beyond the conventional Indus Civilisation area, you have to be very careful while making any claims. You need to say which language was used, which script was used and the continuity. A language or script cannot remain stagnant for 1,000 years. This cannot happen with a single find. Let there not be empty speculation,” he said.
http://jayseva.com/decipherment-of-indus-valley-script-in-gondi-language/
Prof sees Harappan script in Hampi
One of the paintings seen on a wall near Talwara Ghatta at Hampi, which Prof. KM Metry (inset) claims to be Late Harappan writing
Historians call for caution in reading too much into hilltop paintings near heritage site
This could turn out to be one of the biggest archaeological finds in South India. Dr KM Metry, professor of tribal studies at the Kannada University, Hampi, has found prehistoric paintings on a hilltop in Hampi, which he claims is Late Harappan writing.
The series of 20 characters found resembles the Late Harappan writing of the Indus Valley Civilisation, says Metry. The professor claims that this shows that after the collapse of the civilisation situated in North-West India, the Harappans moved to other parts of the country including the Deccan.
Speaking to Mirror, Metry said, "There is a direct link between the Late Harappan and the writings that have been discovered. This proves that the people of Indus Valley Civilisation moved to South India after the collapse of the Late Harappan stage."
Dr Motiravan Kangale and Prakash Kalame, who had claimed deciphering the Harappa script relating it to the ancient tribal Gondi script, are helping decipher the writing found in Hampi, Metry said. The discovery was made near Talwara Ghatta on the way to Vijaya Vittala Temple in the UNESCO World Heritage Site.
"Dr Kangale and Kalame were in Hampi between August 24 and 29 for a seminar on the Gondi language. I took them to these writings. On the spot, Kangale was able to decipher five of the 20 characters," Metry said. The professor said that the symbols resemble symbols on the famous Pasupati Seal found in Mohenjo-Daro. "There are other such writings of symbols similar to these in other places in Hampi. Once all are studied, we can prove that the Harappans migrated to South India and a crucial link in our prehistory can be established."
However, historians are calling for caution. Eminent historian Dr S Shettar said, "Recently there were claims of a Harappan engraving on a piece of stone in Tamil Nadu. But unlike a rock face, stone pieces and seals can travel long distances. In this case too, we need very solid evidence. If the discovery is true, it is wonderful. But it has to be viewed very carefully. From about 2000 BCE when the Harappan/Indus civilisation ended and the times of Ashoka in the 3rd Century BCE, we do not have clarity of the continuity in Indian history. The Indus civilisation has been demarcated as Early, Mature and Late Harappan.
This could turn out to be one of the biggest archaeological finds in South India. Dr KM Metry, professor of tribal studies at the Kannada University, Hampi, has found prehistoric paintings on a hilltop in Hampi, which he claims is Late Harappan writing.
The series of 20 characters found resembles the Late Harappan writing of the Indus Valley Civilisation, says Metry. The professor claims that this shows that after the collapse of the civilisation situated in North-West India, the Harappans moved to other parts of the country including the Deccan.
Speaking to Mirror, Metry said, "There is a direct link between the Late Harappan and the writings that have been discovered. This proves that the people of Indus Valley Civilisation moved to South India after the collapse of the Late Harappan stage."
Dr Motiravan Kangale and Prakash Kalame, who had claimed deciphering the Harappa script relating it to the ancient tribal Gondi script, are helping decipher the writing found in Hampi, Metry said. The discovery was made near Talwara Ghatta on the way to Vijaya Vittala Temple in the UNESCO World Heritage Site.
"Dr Kangale and Kalame were in Hampi between August 24 and 29 for a seminar on the Gondi language. I took them to these writings. On the spot, Kangale was able to decipher five of the 20 characters," Metry said. The professor said that the symbols resemble symbols on the famous Pasupati Seal found in Mohenjo-Daro. "There are other such writings of symbols similar to these in other places in Hampi. Once all are studied, we can prove that the Harappans migrated to South India and a crucial link in our prehistory can be established."
However, historians are calling for caution. Eminent historian Dr S Shettar said, "Recently there were claims of a Harappan engraving on a piece of stone in Tamil Nadu. But unlike a rock face, stone pieces and seals can travel long distances. In this case too, we need very solid evidence. If the discovery is true, it is wonderful. But it has to be viewed very carefully. From about 2000 BCE when the Harappan/Indus civilisation ended and the times of Ashoka in the 3rd Century BCE, we do not have clarity of the continuity in Indian history. The Indus civilisation has been demarcated as Early, Mature and Late Harappan.
"But the writings found there are not as clearly demarcated. Even the true nature of the Harappan writings is in question. So if you find a discovery beyond the conventional Indus Civilisation area, you have to be very careful while making any claims. You need to say which language was used, which script was used and the continuity. A language or script cannot remain stagnant for 1,000 years. This cannot happen with a single find. Let there not be empty speculation," he said.
A BYGONE ERA
Out of the 20 symbols, Kangale and Kalame were able to immediately decipher five, says Metry. "They are: Sl No 1, which means aalin in Gondi,manava in Kannada, and man in English; Sl No 3, nel in Gondi, nela/nellu in Kannada, paddy field in English; Sl No 8, sary in Gondi, sari/daari inKannada, way/path in English; Sl No 15, sukkum in Gondi, chukke in Kannada, star/dot in English; and Sl No 16, nooru in Gondi, nara manava/mukhanda in Kannada, headman in English.
Note: From the photograph which appeared in Bangalore Mirror , it is possible to identify clearly, "standing person' symbol which is an Indus script sign.
It will be necessary to get from Prof. KM Metry, the complete set of symbols and specific symbols he sees as comparable to signs of Indus script.
From my decipherment, the 'standing person' symbol has two rebus readings: See http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2014/09/stature-of-body-meluhha-hieroglyphs-48.html
Stature of body Meluhha hieroglyphs (48) in Indus writing: Catalogs of Metalwork processes
meḍ 'body' (Santali. Munda) Rebus: meḍ ‘iron’(Munda); मेढ meḍh‘merchant’s helper’(Pkt.) meḍ iron (Ho.) meṛed-bica = iron stone ore, in contrast to bali-bica, iron sand ore (Munda)
kāṭi 'body stature; Rebus: fireplace trench.
काठी [ kāṭhī ] f (काष्ट S) (or शरीराची काठी ) The frame or structure of the body: also (viewed by some as arising from the preceding sense, Measuring rod) stature (Marathi) B. kāṭhā ʻ measure of length ʼ(CDIAL 3120).
Rebus: G. kāṭɔṛɔ m. ʻ dross left in the furnace after smelting iron ore ʼ.(CDIAL 2646)
Rebus: kāṭi , n. < U. ghāṭī. 1. Trench of a fort; அகழி. 2. A fireplace in the form of a long ditch; கோட்டையடுப்பு காடியடுப்பு kāṭi-y-aṭuppu , n. < காடி; +. A fireplace in the form of a long ditch used for cooking on a large scale; கோட்டையடுப்பு.
Rebus: kāṭi , n. < U. ghāṭī. 1. Trench of a fort; அகழி. 2. A fireplace in the form of a long ditch; கோட்டையடுப்பு காடியடுப்பு kāṭi-y-aṭuppu , n. < காடி; +. A fireplace in the form of a long ditch used for cooking on a large scale; கோட்டையடுப்பு.
The transcription of other symbols on the Rock inscription of Hampi and possible comparison with Indus Script sign or pictorial motif sets have to be further analysed and investigated.
Kalyanaraman