17 August 2013
A Historical Sense
What Sanskrit has meant to me
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I had come to Sanskrit in search of roots, but I had not expected to have that need met so directly. I had not expected my wish for a ‘historical sense’ to be answered with linguistic roots.
Aged twenty-seven or so, when I first began to study Sanskrit as a private student at Oxford, I knew nothing about the shared origins of Indo-European languages. Not only did I not know the example given in my textbook—that the Sanskrit ãrya, the Avestan airya, from which we have the modern name Iran, and the Gaelic Eire, all the way on the Western rim of the Indo-European belt, were all probably cognate—I don’t even think I knew that word, ‘cognate’. It means ‘born together’:co + natus. And natus from gnascor is cognate with the Sanskrit rootjan from where we have janma and the Ancient Greek gennaõ, ‘to beget’. Genesis, too.
And in those early days of learning Sanskrit, the shared genesis of these languages of a common source, spoken somewhere on the Pontic steppe in the third millennium BC, a source which had decayed and of which no direct record remains, absorbed me completely. Well, almost completely. The grammar was spectacularly difficult and, in that first year, it just kept mushrooming—besides three genders, three numbers and eight cases for every noun, there were several classes of verbs, in both an active and middle voice, each with three numbers and three persons, so that in just the present system, with its moods and the imperfect, I was obliged to memorise 72 terminations for a single verb alone.
And still I found time to marvel at how the Sanskrit vid, from where we have vidiã, was related to the Latin videre—to see—from where, in turn, we have such words as video and vision; veda too, of course, for as Calasso writes in Ka, the ancient seers, contrary to common conception, did not hear the Vedas, they saw them! Or that kãla, Time and Death, should be derived from the Sanskrit kãl, ‘to calculate or enumerate’—related to the Latin kalendarium, ‘account book’, the English calendar—imparting, it seemed to me, onto that word the suggestive notion that at the end of all our calculations comes Death. Almost as if kãla did not simply mean Time, but had built into it the idea of its passage, the count of days, as it were.
These thrills were so self-evident that I did not stop to ask what lay behind them. But one day, a few months into my second term, the question was put to me by a sympathetic listener. An old editor at Penguin. I was in London assailing him over dinner, as I now am you, with my joy at having discovered these old threads, when he stopped me with: But what is this excitement? What is the excitement of discovering these old roots?
An oddly meta question, it should be said, oddly self- referential, and worthy of old India. For few ancient cultures were as concerned with the how and why of knowing as ancient India. And what my editor was saying was, you have the desire to know, fine—you have jijñãsa, desiderative of jña: ‘to know’—but what is it made of? What is this hunting about for linguistic roots? What comfort does this knowledge give? And, what, as an extension, can it tell us about our need for roots, more generally? It was that most basic of philosophical enquiries: why do we want to know the things we want to know?
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I grew up in late 20th century India, in a deracinated household. I use that word keeping in mind that racine is 'root' in French, and that is what we were: people whose roots had either been severed or could no longer be reached. A cultural and linguistic break had occurred, and between my grandparents’ and my parents’ generation, there lay an imporous layer of English education that prevented both my father in Pakistan, and my mother, in India, from being able to reach their roots. What the brilliant Sri Lankan art critic, Ananda Kentish Coomaraswamy, had seen happening around him already in his time had happened to us (and is, I suppose, happening today all over India).
‘It is hard to realize,’ Coomaraswamy writes in The Dance of Shiva, ‘how completely the continuity of Indian life has been severed. A single generation of English education suffices to break the threads of tradition and to create a nondescript and superficial being deprived of all roots—a sort of intellectual pariah who does not belong to the East or the West.’
This is an accurate description of what we were. And what it meant for me, personally, as an Indian writer getting started with a writing career in India, was that the literary past of India was closed to me. The Sanskrit commentator, Mallinatha, working in 14th century Andhra, had with a casual ‘iti-Dandin: as Dandin says’, been able to go back seven or eight hundred years into his literary past. I could go back no further than fifty or sixty. The work of writers who had come before me, who had lived and worked in the places where I lived and worked today, was beyond reach. Their ideas of beauty; their feeling for the natural world; their notion of what it meant to be a writer, and what literature was—all this, and much more, were closed to me. And, as I will explain later, this was not simply for linguistic reasons.
I was—and I have TS Eliot in mind as I write this—a writer without a historical sense. Eliot who, in Tradition and the Individual Talent, describes the ‘historical sense’ as: a perception, not only of the pastness of the past, but of its presence; the historical sense, he feels, compels a man to write not merely with his own generation in his bones, but that [for him]—I’m paraphrasing now—the whole literature of Europe from Homer onwards to that of his own country has ‘a simultaneous existence’.
My problem was that I had next to nothing in my bones. Nothing but a handful of English novels, some Indian writing in English, and a few verses of Urdu poetry. That was all. And it was too little; it left the bones weak; I had no way to thread the world together.
The place I grew up in was not just culturally denuded, but—and this is to be expected, for we can only value what we have the means to assess—it held its past in contempt. Urdu was given some token respect—though no one really bothered to learn it—but Sanskrit was actively mocked and despised. It was as if the very sound of the language had become debased. People recoiled from names that were too Sanskritic, dismissing them as lower class: ‘Narindar,’ someone might say, ‘what a driver’s name!’ They preferred Armaan and Zhyra and Alaaya. The Sanskrit teacher in most elite schools was a figure of fun. And people took great joy at having come out of a school, such as The Doon School, say, without having learnt any more Sanskrit than a derisive little rhyme about flatulence.
What was even more dismaying was that very few people in this world regarded Sanskrit as a language of literature. In fact, Sanskrit, having fought so hard historically to escape its liturgical function and become a language of literature and statecraft, had in the India I grew up been confined once again to liturgy. And an upper-class lady, on hearing that you were learning Sanskrit, would think nothing of saying: ‘Oh, I hate all that chanting-shanting.’
Sanskrit was déclassé; it was a source of embarrassment; its position in our English-speaking world reminded me of the VS Naipaul story of the boy among the mighty Mayan ruins of Belize. ‘In the shadow of one such ruin,’ Naipaul writes in The Enigma of Arrival, ‘a Mayan boy (whatever his private emotions) giggled when I tried to talk to him about the monument. He giggled and covered his mouth; he seemed to be embarrassed. He was like a person asking to be forgiven for the absurdities of long ago…’
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To have Sanskrit in India was to know an equal measure of joy and distress. On the one hand, the language was all around me and things that had once seemed closed and inert came literally to be full of meaning. ‘Narindar’ might have sounded downmarket to the people I had grown up with, but it could no longer be that way for me. Not when I knew that beyond its simple meaning as ‘Lord of Men’, nara—cognate with the Latin nero and the Greek anér—was one of our oldest words for ‘man’. Some might turn their nose up at a name like Aparna, say, preferring a Kaireen or an Alaaya, but not me. Not when it was clear that parna was ‘leaf’, cognate with the English ‘fern’, and aparna, which meant ‘leafless’, was a name Kalid ¯a sa had himself given Paravati: ‘Because she rejected, gracious in speech though she was, even the high level of asceticism that is living only on leaves falling from trees of their own accord, those who know the past call her Aparna, the Leafless Lady.’
My little knowledge of Sanskrit made the walls speak and nothing was the same again. Words and names that had once seemed whole and complete—such as Anuja and Ksitaja—broke into their elements. I saw them for what they were: upapada compounds, which formed the most playful and, at times, playfully profound compounds. Anuja, because it meant ‘born after’, or ‘later’, was a name often given to the youngest son of a family. And ksitaja, which meant ‘born of the earth’—the ja being a contraction of jan, that ancient thread for birthing, begetting and generating—could be applied equally to an insect and a worm as well as the horizon, for they were both earth-born. And dvi|ja, twice born, could mean a Brahmin, for he is born, and then born again when he is initiated into the rites of his caste; it could mean ‘a bird’, for it is born once when it is conceived and then again from an egg; but it could also mean ‘a tooth’, for teeth, it was plain to see, had two lives too.
So, yes: once word and meaning were reunited, a lot that had seemed ordinary, under the influence of the world I grew up in, came literally to acquire new meaning. Nor did the knowledge of these things seem trifling to me, not simply a matter of curiosity, not just pretty baubles. Because the way a culture arrived at its words, the way it endowedsabda with artha, gave you a picture of its values, of its belief system, of the things it held sacred.
Consider, for instance, sarıra or ‘body’. One of its possible derivations is from √srr, which means ‘to break’ or ‘destroy’, so that sarıra is nothing but ‘that which is easily destroyed or dissolved.’ And how could one know that without forming a sense of the culture in which that word emerged and how it regarded the body? The body, which, as any student of John Locke will tell you (1), had so different a significance in other cultures.
I thought it no less interesting to observe the little jumps of meaning a root made as it travelled over the Indo-European belt. Take vertere, ‘to turn’, from the old Latin uortere: we have it in Sanskrit too: vrt,vartate: ‘to turn, turn round, revolve, roll; to be, to live, to exist, to abide and dwell’. It is related to the German werden—‘to become’. From where we have the Old English wyrd—‘fate, destiny’; but alsowerde: ‘death’. That extra layer of meaning restored, it was impossible ever to think of Shakespeare’s ‘weird sisters’ from Macbeth in the same way again.
What Sanskrit did for me was that it laid bare the deep tissue of language. The experience was akin to being able to see beneath the thick encroachment of slum and shanty, the preserved remains of a grander city, a place of gridded streets and sophisticated sewage systems, of magnificent civic architecture. But to go one step further with the metaphor of the ruined city, it was also like seeing Trajan’s forum as spolia on people’s houses. The language was there, but it was unthought-of, unregarded, hardly visible to the people living among it: there as remains, and little more. There are few places in the world where the past continues into the present as seamlessly as it does in India, and where people are so unaware of it.
Neither is the expectation of such an awareness an imposition of the present on the past. Nor is it an import from elsewhere; not—to use the Academic’s word—etic, but deeply emic to India. For it is safe to say that no ancient culture thought harder about language than India, no culture had better means to assess it. Nothing in old India went unanalysed; no part of speech was just a part of life, no word just slipped into usage, and could not be accounted for. This was the land of grammar and grammarians. And, if today, in that same country, men were without grammar, without means to assess language, it spoke of a decay that could be measured against the standards of India’s own past.
That decay—growing up with as little as I had—was what lay behind my need for roots and the keenness of my excitement at discovering them. It was the excitement, at a time when my cultural life felt thin and fragmentary, of glimpsing an underlying wholeness, a dream of unity, that we human beings never quite seem able to let go of. But there was something else. In India, where history had heaped confusion upon confusion, where everything was shoddy and haphazard and unplanned, the structure of Sanskrit, with its exquisite planning, was proof that it had not always been that way. It was like a little molecule of the Indian genius, intact, and saved in amber, for a country from which the memory of genius had departed.
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1 ‘Though the Earth, and all inferior Creatures be common to all Men, yet every Man has a Property in his own Person. This no Body has any Right to but himself. The Labour of his Body, and the Work of his Hands, we may say, are properly his. Whatsoever then he removes out of the State of Nature hath provided, and left in, he hath mixed his Labour with, and joyned to it something that is his own, and thereby makes it his Property.’
105 comments
g i am rootless indian man who dnot know is he english or hindi,ethe rof them has been working only,,hindi touch the heart but english whole the time need to find out meaning in dictionary,,,i am neither human being nor animal,,i dnt know what i am,,,,both world untouched,,became slave only, language always fill respect, immotions and few words angers,but english is simply yes or no ,,,,no indepth meaningpatnaikt Very well written!Pradeep Sharma Beautifully put across, thank you.anjan well, you do need a little wealth and time for reflection to do this. nonetheless, not to take away from your talents, it is indeed beautifully written. Makes me think, how we snatch away literature from the ordinary worker's hand simply by writing, interacting and creating much of the new knowledge in English. And snatch away their right to tell their own story and earn a living from it by belittling every other language other than English. The landscape of the many countries that live within this country would have been so different if we could have done a different kind of linguistic experimentation but well English is here. There can be a new linguistic evolution from here. lets see where do the next 50 years lead us.R Nanjappa This is good but you will have to take a slightly different turn.Away from the foreign Indologists and their Indian followers and their theories. You will have to turn to Sri Aurobindo for an authentic Indian insight into Sanskrit. Just read his 'Secret of the Veda' and 'Hymns to the Mystic Fire'. You don't have to accept all his philosophy if you don't feel like it.Narasimhan Subbaraman I can hardly put into words the feeling I got when I read the whole article. Samskrutam is not only a language but is an indivisible part and organ of India that is Bharat. Ignorance of and belittling the language as a dead one and an useless appendage to be suffered perforce is the product of the present slavishly materialistic generation.Halla Bol Schopenhauer wrote in the preface of his The World as a Will and Representation"According to me, the influence of Sanskrit literature on our time will not be lesser than what was in the 16th century Greece's influence on Renaissance.One day, India's wisdom will flow again on Europe and will totally transform our knowledge and thought."Halla Bol "the educated Hindus are turning to their old Scriptures and are finding there much which they confidently stake against the claims of superiority of any foreign religion or philosophy. "
CHAPTER I: THE PLACE OF THE UPANISHADS IN THE HISTORY OF PHILOSOPHYSujata Srinath Beautifully written! In a way your article expressed a situation that is painfully familiar to me...of not being able to read the brilliant original works and having to carefully choose the translations lest i read some warped or ill-informed exposition. t Samskruta truly gives us samskriti...it opens up vistas of knowledge that are otherwise hidden from those who deny themselves the pain of learning it!Sachi Mohanty We must stop learning Java,C++, Python, Ruby and Oracle PL/SQL programming and forthwith start learning Sanskrit programming.csch2215 Sachi Mohanty The language of the current generation is tweets, emoticons, and the stuff of short text messages.C++ and Oracle PL/SQL are already dead the way of the mainframe and assembler. Jobs are there only for maintaining old programs or because the old folks don't know of anything better than to speak in them for quick and dirty tasks. Java and Python are dying and jobs for new programs are few and far between. The new generation just don't see the value in speaking in these two.
So yes, we definitely must stop learning those.
Ruby is a cult language these days no different than the communications of the Catholic church in Latin. Only a small group does the proselytization.Sachi Mohanty csch2215 And what language, pray, does Twitter use to create the application which enables the users to send those tweets?My point is not to support any particular programming language. I merely wish to point to the fact that we live in an age of relentless innovation.A generation or two back, government employees may have spent their entire career doing some simple, repetitive trifling job.Something like half the women in America may have been employed as operators in manual telephone exchanges during the 1950s.Today, one has to un-learn and re-learn stuff every decade.Those who innovate, prosper.It might be the golden age of iOS and Android development today. Nokia and BlackBerry and their platforms have probably collapsed fatally already.Who knows what new stuff will replace these.Elon Musk, Jack Dorsey, Biz Stone, Mark Zuckerberg, Sergey Brin, Larry Page, and so many others whose names I do not even recall now ... the often 20-somethings or more rarely 30-somethings who are 'founders' of companies like Tumblr or Whatsapp or Kik or LinkedIn ... they are changing the world.What of the millions of graduates pouring out of India's burgeoning engineering colleges?I am afraid, nobody has enough jobs to make them employed.Today, Indian IT services majors such as TCS, Wipro, and Infosys employ lakhs of employees ... way more than the true global technology behemoths such as Apple, Facebook, Twitter, and Google.Yes, HP and IBM do employ lakhs. But their turnover is $100 billion plus.csch2215 Sachi Mohanty you really need helpSachi Mohanty csch2215 What an idiot you are. Really.Our IT industry is full of specimens like you of course.When I re-read our conversation and see that you butted into my comments without having anything to say, it amazes me.Do you even understand the meaning of the bullshit you utter?Take this: "The language of the current generation is tweets, emoticons, and the stuff of short text messages."Do you thinks 'tweets' fall out of the sky? May be storks deliver babies to people as well? And Santa Claus is alive and well in your fantasy world.It is because of idiots like you that other very-ordinary, untalented people like Sachin Tendulkar and Amitabh Bachchan have become 'gods' in this country.Go and get an education kid.Don't waste your life watching cricket and Bollywood.Sachi Mohanty csch2215 Yes indeed.How much money do you have?I will be happy to share my a/c details if you can spare $100,000.csch2215 Sachi Mohanty i have a gazillion $
just waiting for your a/c details
please do share it with us, i will wire it right awaySachi Mohanty csch2215 I do not need gazillion dollars.Be precise. How much money will you be able to afford?csch2215 Sachi Mohanty whatever you say, boss!!!
you wanted "$100,000"? sure i can spare that for a fellow atheist.
just share your a/c details (account number, login/password, pin, etc.)Edit: bored, don't bother replyingSachi Mohanty csch2215 What an idiot you are. Truly a moron.I wonder how many centuries you will need to acquire any knowledge that will qualify you as being 'educated' by my standards.I guess your kind of idiots spend all their free time analyzing the various Bollywood beauties.Get a life. Have you even heard of Feynman? There is no way you could have seen Cosmos by Carl Sagan.Do you know who Neil Tyson is?It's your kind of idiots who create a twitter account and immediately proceed to lecture Shashi Tharoor.Before you too go on that path, let me remind you that Mr. Tharoor was talented enough to read a book a day when he was not even 20.You will never have 1/1,000th the intelligence a Shashi Tharoor has or a Jawaharlal Nehru had.Despite living in a metro city, you have NEVER bothered to visit the American Center Library of your city.What a pity.Here's one task, just one, I am giving you: buy Walter Isaacson's biography of Steve Jobs. Then READ it.I bet this is a challenge that will defeat you entirely.
raj bhat excellent piece to be shared with every student of language and literature across boundaries-cultural, political, academic, economic. Raj BhatVijayadar I think most commentators are forgetting that it was the author's personal discovery of Sanskrit that has enriched his intellectual life. He is not trying to write a scholarly thesis on how and why this ancient Indian language has been lost to us. Nor is he trying to win converts to his way of thinking. I read this essay as an expression of his personal joy and enchantment at having struck a rich vein in the search for his roots. Let us leave it at that.Satish N So illuminating!! So very well writtenAnirudha Deshmukh It speaks directly to my heart. Not knowing the words, so much is missed that is beautiful and uplifting. It is so sad that we are sorrounded with so much, and yet can not access it!Gorur Iyengar I so thoroughly enjoyed reading the article that reinforced my faith in my heritage and culture that I read several of the scholarly comments as well. That is, until I came to a rant and rave like no other. I am a proud Indian immigrant working for a U.S. agency and resent such a shameful diatribe from an Indian denouncing his very own cultural roots.Karan Both erudite and heart-wrenching. To the uninitiated mortal like me, this took me back to my public school days in Hardwar. I had gifted, enthusiastic [sometimes to the point of deranged] Hindi/Sanskrit teachers who made those NCERT texts come alive with unrelenting passion. I loved the rules in the grammar and then passing the derived exercises in books and exams was thrilling. Post-that in the drumroll of carving a career in countries more than one and battling out all the everyday passions and anxieties associated with it and in parallel, inhabiting English literature and multiple cultures in private, I experienced a bit of an intellectual homecoming after reading Pavan Varma's Becoming Indian and Being Indian. And to an extent, Gurcharan Das' philosophical dissection of Mahabharata: Difficulty of Being Good. Your article continues that same refrain, and I experienced a strange mix of anguish and pride. Very edifying, and I hope to read your full-fledged works. Some passages gave me goosebumps, and I'll always bookmark this piece as one of the first pieces that's helped keep alive a curiosity and respect for the shared past I inhabit with my brethren. In the flat, rootless, transient world, having born in a country so completely morphed by external influences that it's practically faceless; pieces like yours give "floating" mortals a ground.As an aside, also enjoyed reading some of the cerebral comments: all windows into a world seldom seen.Sujata Srinath Karan Your comment is beautifully written too! And I salute those Samskrut teachers who taught with passion...may their tribe increase.
Vishu Hegde Very nice article. Sanskrit's origin is in India's spiritual
science. It is said that every vowel, consonant, word and grammar in Sanskrit
is designed for creating right vibrations in the energy body (Annamaya kosha)
to evolve to higher consciousness. If we observe the vowels from A, Aa, ….U….Am,
they make vibrations from the pit of the stomach to heart to head region, which
is where the 6 out of the 7 Chakras (energy vortexes) are situated. These
vowels are uttered without the use of tongue. Then if we observe the consonants:
K, Kha, Ga, Gha, starts at the base of the throat; Cha, Cha, Ja, Jha, comes to
the upper throat; Ta, Tha, Da, Dha, comes to palette; Tha, Tha, Da, Dha, comes
to the teeth; Pa, Pha, Ba, Bha, come to the lips. The tongue modules the
vibrations of vowels through consonants like in a flute producing different
frequencies. The beginning, middle and last vowel, A U M, make all the chakras vibrate and it is
connected to the primordial sound Om (which should be pronounced as aum). Words
and grammar are not defined by arbitrary logic but based on producing right
vibrations. It is said that Sanskrit was
primarily defined for this spiritual evolution then it was used for communication
& expression. Such is the profoundness and scientific nature of this
language.viswag59 The
article is interesting in and of itself, and helps raise a number of questions.To me, Sanskrit remains the language in which many Indian sages penned their
thoughts and, hence, YES, it is one of the traditions that I savor as an Indian. Nonetheless,
personally, I do NOT lament SO MUCH the decay of Sanskrit (and, perhaps,
even the
death sometime in the future).To
me, Sanskrit was the language in which statecraft was conducted by the rising Indian
city-states – gradually far removed from the subjects that these city-states
now ruled over. It now became the language of the Upanishad (secret knowledge)
that was now accessible to an exclusive elite. The language itself excluded out
the vast masses, the vast countryside – the death and decay of such a language
is but inevitable when the sponsoring elites lose power and prestige.BUT I DEFINITELY LAMENT THE DECAY AND DEATH OF PALI AND PRAKRIT. These
were the languages that the vast Indian masses wrote, read and spoke. Emperor
Ashok – the immensely more thoughtful and with tremendous foresight – spread
the message of the Great Buddha in Pali and Prakrit.Another language that I lament is the passing away
of the proto-Bengali that was used by the Pal Dynasty to spread Buddhism and
trade & commerce over a vast region across South and South-east Asia. The language
of this last Buddhist dynasty of India – the Pal Dynasty that lasted for more
than 400 years from 750AD (Dharmapal) until 1175 AD (Govindapal) – is left
behind on many copper plates.Devavrata Shwetketu viswag59 Please refrain any impulse of posting comments on posts such as these. Since it is people such as you bring down the mass IQ, single handedly, 10 points.Issued in public interest!viswag59 Devavrata Shwetketu Generally, people (with or without high IQ) should refrain from ad hominem arguments. Ad hominem arguments don't take us any step forward in any discussion or debate.Instead, provide additional data, information, knowledge, wisdom to substantiate their arguments.Please suggest additional points as to why you lament the decay and death Sanskrit in particular. And, perhaps, also in comparison with many other Indian languages. Thanks.hardly viswag59 Pali was a minor language spoken only in Magadha, and used as a religious language by Theravada Buddhism alone. There were hardly any great secular works written in Pali.
Sanskrit on the other hand was the language of statecraft, education, science, as well as a common religious language used by Vaishnavas, Shaivas, Mahayana and Vajrayana Buddhists and Jains. Buddhism which you regard so highly was transmitted to Tibet, China and Korea in its Sanskrit form, not in Pali. Which is why The Dalai Lama sings the praises of Sanskrit, not of Pali.
And the Prakrit languages never died, modern North Indian languages are all their continuations.
Sanskrit was also the source language from which Pali and all other Prakrits drew their technical vocabulary. And there is no impact of Pali on South Indian languages, but nearly 50% of words in most South Indian languages derive from Sanskrit.
B M Kakar A must read essay by AatishSatish Chandra The CIA has repeatedly deleted the following comment of mine; I am reposting it:-(Aug 15 ‘13) After I wrote below to Indians “Aren’t you just pieces of dog-faeces?” Iran detained an Indian ship for polluting Iranian waters with dog-faeces in the form of Indians it carried. The tremendous gusto with which Indians have been committing crimes, unprecedented in human history, on the CIA’s orders, for 36 years against Satish Chandra -- whose toe-nail clippings are worth more to the world than the rest of the billion-plus Indians combined -- shows that Indians should be banished from the Earth. I have written that Indians are like a malignant virus that needs to be destroyed as quickly as possible and suggested herding them into extermination circles of a few million each and low-yield nuclear bombs exploded over them. Pending that, Indians should be expelled from all international bodies.(Aug 14 ‘13) The destruction of an Indian submarine today was a demonstration that the United States can destroy any Indian equipment -- military or civilian -- containing digital circuitry by microwave signals from satellites (IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom ). The fact that the missile tested on August 12 ‘13 was not destroyed does not mean the United States cannot destroy such missiles whenever it wants to. By having India’s nuclear forces emplace nuclear warheads in U.S. cities I have given them a means to destroy the enemy first which I have been repeatedly urging them to do but they are too stupid to do it and will be destroyed first.(Aug 13 ‘13) After my reference in the paragraph dated August 10 ‘13 below to sabotage, India’s nuclear forces test-fired a missile on August 12 ‘13 to see if it had been sabotaged. Once India’s nuclear warheads have been emplaced in U.S. cities, as they have been for some time now, they should be exploded at the first opportunity -- between 9 AM and 5 PM Washington and New York time on a working day in Washington and New York. Anything else is a continuation of slavery and defeat.To all the Indian bhangis: you are ready to fight other Indians including Pakistanis but you meekly accepted British rule for centuries and still do. Aren't you just pieces of dog-faeces?I ) Indian media should cover nothing but Satish Chandra. India can economically grow 30% per year or more without foreign investment and be the world's supreme military power immediately for which he -- the world's greatest scientist -- has been suppressed with 24-hour satellite surveillance for 36 years. Modi is CIA-sponsored. All politicians are CIA-controlled. India's government is a proxy for the CIA. The requirement, brought by Manmohan Singh, for mid-career Indian civil servants (sending military officers for training to the United States has the same purpose) to go to U.S. universities for training so their future career prospects, promotions, etc. are controlled by Americans is meant to make India's government as a proxy for the CIA more perfect. A long-standing requirement in American and British universities is that to receive a Ph.D. degree from them, Indians have to agree to work for American or British intelligence agencies. IndiasLegitimateRulerSatishChandraDOTblogspotDOTcom(July 31, 2013) People from Telangana try hard to get into the United States despite the racial discrimination though in language, culture and history they differ a lot more from the United States than from the rest of Andhra Pradesh, because the United States is rich and powerful. In an India that is the most prosperous and powerful country in the world -- as Satish Chandra can make it -- there will be no separatist demands such as Telangana. For this chase the Anglo-Americans and their Indian proxies out of India. Or just focus on the media people and beat them to death for suppressing Satish Chandra.(August 10, 2013) There is no greater threat to India’s national security than the Defence Research and Development Organization (DRDO) chief visiting the Pentagon and discussing joint development and production of military equipment toward a “mutually agreed-upon goal of a relationship based around co-development and co-production". Who agreed upon such a goal -- Manmohan Singh? Before becoming head of DRDO, he was head of India’s strategic missiles program and he should have no contact with Americans even in India, much less in the Pentagon. Kakodkar, who was head of Atomic Energy, was reported to have strenuously opposed the nuclear deal when flying with Manmohan Singh on the trip to Washington which resulted in the nuclear deal and was successfully bought by the Americans with hefty bribes -- Bush as president while visiting India asked him if he was happy now -- and the entire orientation of India’s atomic energy personnel was changed from self-reliance and independence to working as subsidiaries of American entities with the prospect of American-level salaries, etc. The main purpose of the nuclear deal was bringing Indian nuclear reactors and other facilities -- even academic ones -- under IAEA restrictions and inspections and cripple India’s weapons program and that has been accomplished. DRDO was the remaining bastion of relative independence and self-reliance; Saraswat as head of DRDO sabotaged it -- he wore heavy gold rings on EACH finger to celebrate his wealth after he had been bribed -- and now it is being brought wholesale under American supervision and control. At the same time, the Indian Space Research Organization ( ISRO) chief is discussing joint development of satellites with the United States. I had pointed out in press releases that this man -- Radhakrishnan -- knew that India’s GSLV rocket had been sabotaged because of which he publicly congratulated his team for the “successful” development of the rocket even before it was launched and the rocket failed. As part of the American response to my reference to the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States, the Indian air force chief who sits at CIA supplied terminals to cause Indian aircraft to crash using microwave signals from U.S. satellites -- IndianAirForcePilotsMurderDOTblogspotDOTcom-- was brought to the United States and the U.S. army chief came to India and, while shaking hands with the Indian army chief Bikram Singh who is several inches shorter, bowed slightly to reduce his height. I have said that whenever I write about defending against the United States, RAW -- which is a branch of the CIA (WhatYouShouldKnowAboutRAWDOTblogspotDOTcom) -- carries out terrorist attacks and border incidents to replace it with defence against Muslims or Pakistan and RAW did precisely this just now by killing 5 Indian army men in an ambush. After the defence minister acknowledged that the attack was carried out by “Terrorists” (that is RAW), the BJP, whose life depends on Hindu-Muslim conflict instigated and sustained by the CIA via RAW and similar entities in Pakistan, forced him to recant. All of the above was a consequence of my writing recently about the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States being made the central part of the vision document of a political party. I have said India must replace 90% of its conventional forces with nuclear forces. This reason alone is sufficient to reject any co-development or co-production which will necessarily be conventional. The fleck of filth who is India’s army chief did not arrest the top 1,000 or so employees of RAW as I said he should. With about half of all lieutenant generals in the Indian army working for RAW -- like the one who tried to bribe V. K. Singh when army chief in the Tatra vehicles scandal -- the Indian army is just an instrument of the Anglo-Americans against India as it has always been both before and after 1947. All its units, regiments, etc. have retained their identities and regularly celebrate the anniversaries of their founding by India’s Anglo-American enemies. The same is the case with the Intelligence Bureau from which RAW was split off. The flecks of filth that were M. K. Gandhi and Nehru -- both lifelong British agents ( JoinIndiaWarOfIndependenceDOTblogspotDOTcom ) -- and governments, whether of the Congress Party or the BJP, have done nothing to change this. All politicians of all political parties are just flecks of filth and instruments of the Anglo-Americans against India.II ) JULY 16-20, 2013: The following is a comment I posted on Chitra Subramaniam's piece on Quattrocci's death and Bofors at newslaundryDOTcom; the comment went for 'moderation', then published, then deleted within minutes by the CIA and then restored when the CIA saw I had seen it had deleted it and was about to repost it, then deleted again when I was away from the computer for a few hours after I wrote, regarding CIA's plan to use India's population for AIDS vaccine development and its blackmailing Rajiv Gandhi, who at first refused, with the Bofors and HDW kickback disclosures to agree to this plan, about Rajiv Gandhi and Vajpayee agreeing to CIA-RAW spreading heroin addiction in India's tribal Northeast to create a population of AIDS infected people for this purpose; now the CIA is preventing the comment from being reposted :-"The CIA keeps deleting my comment. I am reposting it. India's government is a proxy for the CIA. The requirement, put in place by Manmohan Singh, for mid-career Indian civil servants (sending Indian military officers for training to the United States has the same purpose) to go to U.S. universities for training so their future career prospects, promotions, etc. are controlled by Americans is meant to make India's government as a proxy for the CIA more perfect. There has been a long-standing requirement in American and British universities that to receive a Ph.D. degree from them, Indians -- this included Manmohan Singh -- have to agree to work for American or British intelligence agencies. All politicians are controlled by the CIA and deserve death. The world's greatest scientist and India's legitimate ruler -- Satish Chandra -- has been systematically suppressed using 24-hour satellite surveillance for the past 36 years. IndiasLegitimateRulerSatishChandraDOTblogspotDOTcomI called this piece of dog-faeces -- Chitra Subramanian -- to say that the Bofors and HDW kickback disclosures were orchestrated and calibrated by the CIA to blackmail Rajiv Gandhi into letting India's population be used as guinea pigs for the development of an AIDS vaccine after he at first refused and that, while the kickback charges were true and should be reported, the use of the charges for this purpose should also be reported. The center of this operation was Harvard's School of Public Health and I had detailed and first hand knowledge of it. This piece of dog-faeces, who worked for the CIA, knew I was the world's greatest scientist but called the information I gave her a "conspiracy theory" and insultingly blew me off. She reportedly has cancer and I hope has a gruesome death. There were only a few hundred cases of AIDS infection in India at the start of the plan to use India's population as guinea pigs for AIDS vaccine development and to spread AIDS infection in India for this purpose; now India has several million cases of AIDS infection. India's RAW, on behalf of the CIA, undertook to spread heroin addiction -- sharing needles among addicts is a principal route of AIDS infection -- in India's tribal Northeast under a 3-way agreement between the CIA, Rajiv Gandhi and Vajpayee. But, of course, the infection did not remain confined to the tribal Northeast. A report in India Abroad newspaper quoted someone at the All India Institute of Medical Sciences saying 'Why should we let our tribal people be used for AIDS vaccine development?' To deal with such resistance, a former head of the Indian Council for Medical Research, V. Ramalingaswami, was brought to the Harvard School of Public Health and given the royal treatment, to the extent of the secretaries adopting British pronunciations in deference to his pronunciation of words. After the CIA's plan was accepted by the Indian government, he was rewarded with a several year appointment at another U.S. university. When he was still resisting the CIA's plan, a report in the same newspaper quoted Rajiv Gandhi defiantly saying he will not be pressurised by "transfer of technology", etc. Once Rajiv Gandhi agreed to have India's population used for AIDS vaccine development, the Bofors disclosures stopped and Vajpayee when prime minister actively covered up the Bofors matter. In press releases and letters and articles to the press I have described these developments over almost 3 decades."On August 9, 2008, CIA Director Michael Hayden and former chairman of India's Joint Intelligence Committee, K. Subrahmanyam, came on line and offered to transfer one crore (ten million) rupees into my bank account within 48 hours if I agreed to work for the CIA. This was coupled with various kinds of threats and abuse. Several dozen of the most abusive comments were deleted by them before I saved the comments on my computer but the offer to transfer one crore rupees into my bank account is in the comments saved and their text only version can be seen at HaydenSubrahmanyamDOTblogspotDOTcom (many are harassive comments posted by them in my name). To see the comments as they appeared on the published page, go to PsychotherapyDOTeBoardDOTcom, then on the page that appears click on the tab labeled "Offer to me by CIA Director and K. Subrahmanyam", go to the bottom of the page that appears then click the link at the bottom of that page. This file of their comments has also been attached to my press releases, including today's, thousands of times. When I did not respond to their offer, Hayden said "I am concerned that Satish Chandra may not cooperate due to his super-patriotism and high intellect" and K. Subrahmanyam said "I am hoping tht Satish Chandra's patriotism can be purchased. His deductive skills are amazing and he can of great use to the cause of Indo-US friendship". First K. Subrahmanyam said "I admire your courage. But I must know how you know so much about myself, RAW operations, and the C.I.A.-RAW nexus. You are a genius indeed, and we would like to do business with you", and Hayden said "We at the CIA are also amazed at the deductive skills and intellect of Satish Chandra" -- a testimonial to my patriotism and intellect from the enemy.On the page containing the CIA Director’s and K. Subrahmanyam’s comments, where the latter mocks the people of Uttar Pradesh and Bihar for their English, a comment of mine says: “1) Citizen inspectors should constantly inspect all nuclear facilities … to ensure that no IAEA inspections take place. 2) No firangi should be allowed on the streets of Indian cities or elsewhere unless accompanied by firangi-watchers and firangi-hunters and can satis fy the latter that he/she is going for some legitimate purpose … . 3) Any Indian found associating with firangis in any way should be beaten to death on the spot.” At this the BJP president said that the English language has caused a great deal of damage to India. At this a Congress party spokesman on July 19 ‘13 said “I sometimes feel like laughing at our friends. On one side their vision document is outsourced to people who don’t speak any language other than English” -- meaning myself because I had written that in a telephone conversation I had to apologize to Vajpayee for switching to English as I was no longer fluent in Hindi. The Anglo-Americans killed over ten million Indians -- by gun and sword not famine -- in just the ten years after 1857 in just Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Bihar and continue to hold India in the deepest slavery because of which no politician or media organ dares to utter my name. If, despite this, a political party does not make the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States the central part of its vision document, it is not serious about reversing the damage done to India by the Anglo-Americans. I have already given India the means to destroy Washington and New York now and the rest of the United States five years later.The BJP General Secretary in Tamil Nadu was killed by RAW -- which is a branch of the CIA (WhatYouShouldKnowAboutRAWDOTblogspotDOTcom ) -- to replace 'Anyone found associating with firangis should be beaten to death on the spot ' , above, with 'Anyone found associating with Hindi-speakers ... '. When I write about defending against the United States, RAW carries out terrorist attacks or border incidents to replace it with defence against Muslims or Pakistan. In Pakistan, Iraq, etc., the CIA makes Shias and Sunnis fight each other to replace fighting their common enemy, the United States. It has successfully made China and Japan fight over some islands to replace fighting their common enemy, the United States.English is dominant because the Anglo-Americans militarily dominated India and remain India's rulers via their Indian proxies. English in India is an aspect of India's continued slavery to the Anglo-Americans and is a consequence of India's military subjugation to them. Other aspects of the slavery include, for example, the Indian government spreading AIDS in India to provide its white masters a population of AIDS infected people to use as guinea pigs for vaccine development. Another aspect, for example, is the Indian government inviting its foreign masters to use India's population as slave manufacturers and collaborating in the suppression of the world's greatest scientist and greatest Indian of all time (IndiasTraitorGovtAndMediaDOTblogspotDOTcom ). The important thing is the coast-to-coast destruction of the United States. That will destroy all aspects of the slavery including linguistic slavery.III ) How India’s Economy Can Grow 30% Per Year Or More:HowIndiasEconomyCanGrowDOTblogspotDOTcomSuppose a government wishes to increase the country's Gross Domestic Product (GDP) by twenty, thirty or forty percent in a given year over and above, say, a seven percent increase that is expected. All it has to do is print and spend an additional amount, equal to twenty, thirty or forty percent of the GDP, in that year on productive purposes. By definition, the GDP would have increased by an additional twenty, thirty or forty percent that year (not counting the multiplier effect, referred to in my letters to the press, which will depend on how the money is spent). Printing the money takes no creativity, thinking up productive purposes to spend it on does not take much either. The money can be spent directly by the government, through private parties or both ways though, of course, by spending the money directly, the government does not have to wait for private parties to come up with proposals. The important thing is that how much the GDP grows next year-- seven percent or twenty seven percent or more-- is strictly in the government's own hands.Terms such as "deficits" (there are no deficits when all the money a government spends is printed by it; if the government does take in money as taxes or charges, the effects of deficits on interest rates occur only if the government borrows the additional money, not if it prints it) and "overheating" of the economy are worthless concepts which only serve to maintain the status quo in which various people have a vested interest. As I wrote some years ago, "people get pleasure from the pain and deprivation of others and [reference to a head of government], who is no exception, will not want [a change]".Note that the recommendation above is to print and spend an amount equal to twenty, thirty or forty percent of the GDP IN ADDITION TO whatever the government was otherwise going to do by way of taxing (unnecessary as it is) and spending, etc. Since the production of goods and services, including consumer as well as capital goods, will rise right along with the additional spending, any effects of the additional spending will be benign. Even if some adverse effects are postulated, in no way can they overcome the huge advantage from a GDP growth of twenty seven percent or more over seven percent in a year.During war, government spending on equipment and supplies (guns and bullets, etc.) can suddenly increase ten, twenty or fifty times. During World War II, the United States government put in place price controls (under J. K. Galbraith) to curb the inflationary effect of such spending (since production capacity was diverted to war equipment and supplies from consumer items). (It was the enormous increase in U. S. government spending during World War II that gave rise to its 'National Debt'). A similarly sudden and large increase in government spending in peace time on the production of food, clothing, shelter, transportation, etc., for the citizenry will not result in the kind of price rise the United States expected in World War II, because the production of consumer goods and services will increase along with the money supply-- even if a lot of the additional spending is directed to military purposes. In any case, price controls can be used in peace time, if necessary, as in war time.It is noteworthy that both the United States government and the Indian government had proceeded to implement my proposal about money, as I have described in letters dated August 1, 2001, September 6, 2001 and April 13, 2001 (also letters about stock market manipulation by the U.S. Treasury Department by pumping money into the stock market; Bush made a trip through an underground tunnel from the White House to the Treasury Department to see the set up created for such manipulation) that appeared in the American online newspaper thecurrentonline; they can be found at SatishChandraInTheCurrentonlineDOTblogspotDOTcom . The Vajpayee government set up a separate Cabinet Committee on Economic Strategy for the purpose of stealing my proposal about money. When I pointed out that they were trying to STEAL my proposal about money, they stopped implementing it. The U.S. Federal Reserve has been buying more than a trillion dollars of U.S. Treasury bonds every year -- another way of applying my proposal about money. The DMK government in Tamil Nadu was having Indian currency printed in China with the connivance of the head of the Reserve Bank of India, given to A. Raja as bribes and used to give freebies to the people of Tamil Nadu -- its way of applying my proposal about money since the Central government would not apply it to India as a whole.I have said (see my blog titled 'Nuclear Supremacy For India Over U.S.' ) in letters to the press in 1998 and subsequently that the firangis gave the Nobel prize in Economics to the mediocre Indian named Amartya Sen as a substitute for the Nobel prize for me since they would not let their crimes against me, committed in collaboration with India’s RAW and India’s prime ministers, be exposed. When Clinton, as president, held a White House conference on the “New Economy”, the “New Economy” was the economy that my proposal about money leads to; of all the dozens of Nobel prize winners in Economics, he invited Amartya Sen to the conference -- though Sen had absolutely nothing to do with the “New Economy” -- because he is their mediocre Indian substitute for the greatest Indian of all time they have been committing crimes against. When Amartya Sen was given the Nobel prize, Vajpayee left New Delhi for several days to avoid meeting him, because he knew Sen was the firangis’ dummy substitute to cover their crimes against me, but RAW kept Sen waiting in New Delhi several days till Vajpayee yielded and gave him all the honours CIA-RAW wanted him to receive as a substitute for me.Satish Chandra3:28amGuest Satish Chandra Oh dear. Sri Sri Chandra has evaded the wily grasp of the CIA--again. Shani! Well, to quickly summarize his rambling missive, it all boils down to two things.
1. He had no idea this post was supposed to relate in some meaningful fashion to Sanskrit.
2. He has so much self-loathing he is unaware we have no interest in his toenail clippings.I'd say if the Haldol isn't keeping this stuff in check, give Lithium a try.
Prasanna Karmarkar This was spellbinding, an intensely satisfying read. I can feel the long dormant desire to learn Sanskrit being awakened. Again. Regardless of what I do with that, it remains that was stellar.MrTanak Mr Aatish Taseer has rediscovered what Shaah of Iran Reza Pahalvi used to claim him self as Aarya . Though Sanskrit is most respected Language in India and has imparted Sanskar on all Indians, irrespective of caste & creed, more remains to be done to make the benefits of Sanskrit reach to all.Sachi Mohanty Whoa!! Wow!Stop press!! The article is interesting to a certain degree ... but why are the comments so effusive as if the author has just 'revealed' that "actually ancient Indians had invented everything including time machines and airplanes and quantum mechanics and worm hole travel and how black holes evaporate and the theory of the multiverse and how our universe came about through the Big Bang event and how we can detect traces of the previous universe in the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation.Why are comments so effusive suggesting that the author has said that "ancient Indians had discovered the Cosmic Microwave Background Radiation and the Higgs boson too ... of course, no need to mention that ancient Indians had also discovered electrons, protons, neutrons, and quasars, pions, meson, and neutrinos as well."One might think ... reading the comments ... that the author is suggesting that "the ancient Indians had actually invented telephones, cellphones, Instagram, Facebook, Twitter, Google, the HTTP and TCP/IP protocols ... that the ancient Indians had invented iOS, Android, Java, Ruby on Rails, Python, Unix, CentOS, Ubuntu, Linux (obviously!) ..."I think the author is NOT saying that.Anyway, my 'wise' grandfather was into 'naming' the grandkids and I had the privilege of being named 'Sachidananda.'I remember from my high school (I think) days that one day the Sanskrit teacher asked me if I knew the meaning of my name.I said no ... perhaps a bit embarrassed.He, I think, proceeded to explain the 'roots' of my name as 'Sat' + 'chit' + 'anand' which apparently translates into a synonym for 'God.'Oops. I am not even sure if my memory is quite accurate in this regard.At any rate, I have turned out to be a staunch atheist in the Dawkins/Harris/Hitchens mold.What an irony!P.S. What percentage of Indians are 'atheists' in the modern sense? Is it 0.001%?csch2215 Sachi Mohanty you are giving atheist a bad name. let me explain:
maybe your teacher was only explaining to you that your negativity goes against your name. you certainly are no bundle of joy to read to deserve the word "anand" in your name.
have you ever considered some medicine? you seem like someone who would start shooting if you could get your hands on a gun. i am sure you are not the yoga/inner peace/meditation types being a "staunch atheist". maybe some haldol would help.
you are an atheist? good for you. so am i and are many people who post online. but frankly you need some help. maybe you are not really an atheist but rather a nihilist or anarchist. then you should get your vocabulary straight.
being an atheist has only helped me be more understanding and seeing through superstition standing against bigotry, not cause hurt to others by verbal abuse as you are doing. i also read dawkins and others and hear them every chance i get. they are NOT as bitter as you.Sachi Mohanty csch2215 Thanks for getting into the mind of my Sanskrit teacher and some pointless anecdote I shared which happened 30 years ago.What an idiot you are.You certainly have very limited intelligence though apparently you claim to be an atheist. I doubt your claim to being an atheist. I can imagine your types attending all the family religious functions and then claiming to be an 'atheist.'Be that as it may.About that medicine recommendation: thanks for the free psychological evaluation. You again prove yourself to be an idiot by assuming what I would or would not do with a gun.About my vocabulary, I think the grammatical errors in your post are very apparent. May be if you read good quality writing such as The New Yorker or books by Dawkins, Hitchens, or Sam Harris, your English might get better and you might stop making so many errors.Also, if you are in the business of selling medicines, please prescribe appropriate medications to the hundreds of millions of Indians who visited the 'Kumbh Mela' and took a 'holy dip' in the Ganga. Did you do that too?Those hallucinating Indians and other 'religious' types do need medication. Right now, you can go to Haridwar perhaps to observe throngs of pilgrims ... known as 'kanwarias' ... doing their silly stuff with a god's body part.More millions, when they visit Haridwar, are apparently persuaded that it is an worthwhile activity to put a few liters of the muddy water of that river in a jerrycan and then take that back to wherever they came from.I had one specific instance where someone — quite 'educated' too — ferried the water from Haridwar back to Delhi on a bike.You 'claim' to have read Dawkins. I doubt it. Follow him on Twitter and see all the controversies he is generating by criticizing religions and Islam in particular.Criticism of inanity does not reveal a person's personality.Unless it is your claim that Dawkins, Harris, and Hitchens are/were 'bitter' too.Since you have made assumptions about me, I will make a few assumptions about you too and offer some free advice like you have offered me.1) Please stop wasting time watching cricket and getting convulsions every time the words 'Sachin Tendulkar' are pronounced. If Indians had any brains, Sachin Tendulkar would not be considered a 'God' in this country.Let me share some free knowledge: Israel has a population of 8 million; Switzerland has a population of 8 million; New Zealand has a population of 4.5 million, and Australia has a population of 20 million. Norway has a population of 5 million and a per capita GDP of $97,000.My point is this: next time you see some Indian 'celebrating' because India 'defeated' New Zealand, Australia, South Africa, or West Indies, do inform them about the population figures.It's okay to be a 'cricket-lover' when you are a 15-year-old male. If you are still a 'cricket-lover' as a 40-year-old male, you have lost me.2) Improve your reading comprehension by reading the New York Times or the Guardian rather than reading the Times of India or Hindustan Times. It's not me who is indulging in 'verbal abuse'; it's your types who are making things personal and then I have to respond.3) I did not know that I was meant to amuse people. I am voicing my opinions. I used to love Seinfeld and 30 Rock. May be you should watch those TV shows for amusement. Others love The Game of Thrones. You could try that though that is not my cup of tea. I loved the smart dialogue and overt sexuality of Sex And The City but I presume you are a typical hypocritical Indian who has trouble with that word 'sex.'TV shows are having a sort of golden age as of now. There are many options. I loved Homeland a lot before getting disappointed as I felt they were unnecessarily stretching it.There are many more shows: Breaking Bad is getting rave reviews everywhere. It's on my 'to watch' list but have not seen it so far.Girls, Veep, and Newsroom are a few other shows that come to mind.Anyways, I think that is enough free advice for you.Oh and lastly, do watch videos on YouTube which are debates between Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris and their opponents. There is even a debate between Hitchens and Mr. Shashi Tharoor.Then watch Neil Tyson's lectures.Sean Carroll and Leonard Susskind are fabulous as well.irregularexpression Sachi Mohanty LOL.. What an insufferable tirade! You really are butt-hurt at that resounding slap you got.Sachi Mohanty irregularexpression Oh no. Namaste!My surprise is akin to either of these two:1) I think Om Puri during that hilarious Mahabharat on stage scene in Jaane Bhi Do Yaaro on seeing Pankaj Kapoor says: "Oye, Tarneja, tuu kahaan se aa tapka."2) Imagine Neil Armstrong steps off the LM Eagle of Apollo 11 and says his famous 'one small step for (a) man' line and then turns around and sees a goat already on the surface making ... well, goat noises of course.I remember Alque Padamsee saying this on a TV show perhaps 25 years ago: 'Indians are so narrow minded. They don't look left, they don't look right, they just look straight ahead.'And Mr. Padamsee is always gesticulating as he speaks. I guess he is right.May be you are exceptionally good at mechanically memorizing EVERYTHING in all the prescribed textbooks that you were assigned through school and college.But you have never randomly taken interest and read books that had NOTHING to do with your profession.I am the exact opposite of that.It is no wonder that my writing flies above your head. At least, one other commentator on another comment of mine was honest enough to ask: 'Can you explain what this means in simple words?'I have shared enough knowledge to keep you busy for years.It is your choice. Your use of words either shows that you have ALREADY entered the stage of dementia OR they reveal your late-night hobbies.Either way, my world and my horizons are a thousand times larger than yours.You are content to spend your life as an ignoramus? Fair enough.irregularexpression Sachi Mohanty LOL.. that was hilarious. Have you ever considered stand-up comedy? You stand up and everybody laughs! You really need professional help. Until then, more babble please!Sachi Mohanty irregularexpression No shortage of your brethren in this country of course.I assume your worldview extends to watching Times Now and Arnab doing his inane shouting and NDTV and its oh-so-famous anchors.I guess your favorite hobby is to gather with your other mentally-challenged buddies and praise 'Modi.'You might understand the basics of 'economics' in another 12 years but I doubt it. I have seen MBAs who suggest going back to the 'Gold Standard.'Clearly, your sort of idiots won't be able to say much on a forum like Quora.Which is why you babble using anonymous handles here and elsewhere in the comments sections.What did Justice Katju say about 90% Indians? Clearly, he hit the nail on the head.You have managed to clear all your school and college exams with flying colors by mechanically memorizing all the contents of all your prescribed textbooks. But, perhaps nobody bothered to tell you that that is quite far from what a real 'education' is about.Do not get the wrong impression that you are educated and well-informed because you read the Times of India and Shekhar Gupta's column and Tavleen Singh's column too.I do not really think that you will ever get around to developing yourself enough to make The New York Times, The Guardian, The Financial Times, and the Economist the primary sources of your information.But do try visiting those web sites; that might give you some humility.Read the Bill Clinton profile by David Remnick called The Wanderer.Read Atul Gawande's essay 'Letting Go' in the same New Yorker.Read Columbia's Last Flight in The Atlantic.Read Getting bin Laden by Nicholas Schimdle.The above reading list will give you more education than all the degrees you have accumulated so far.
csch2215 Sachi Mohanty TLDNR
Halla Bol Sachi Mohanty The article is neither on Religion or contribution of ancient Indians. You seem to be an ignorant twat and a low self esteemed programmer who thinks the pinnacle of science is "iOS, Android, Java, Ruby on Rails, Python, Unix, CentOS, Ubuntu, Linux"But let me tell you no scientific development would have taken place had ancient Indians not developed the basic mathematics and rational thinking (which you seem to lack)
Even the greatest scientist Albert Einstein said "We owe a lot to the Indians, who taught us how to count, without which no worthwhile scientific discovery could have been made"Voltaire (1694-1774) France's greatest writers and philosopher said " I am convinced that everything has come down to us from the banks of the Ganga (Ganges), - astronomy, astrology, metempsychosis, etc."
" It is very important to note that some 2,500 years ago at the least Pythagoras went from Samos to the Ganga (Ganges) to learn geometry...But he would certainly not have undertaken such a strange journey had the reputation of the Brahmins' science not been long established in Europe..."Schopenhauer wrote in the preface of his The World as a Will and Representation"According to me, the influence of Sanskrit literature on our time will not be lesser than what was in the 16th century Greece's influence on Renaissance.One day, India's wisdom will flow again on Europe and will totally transform our knowledge and thought."
"Sachi Mohanty Halla Bol Indians are good at 'personal' stuff apparently. Quoting famous people and making personal attacks.To add to the quotes you mentioned, people quote Tesla and Schrodinger to 'prove' Husband Vivekananda's greatness.When Indians learn to use their brains, they will realize that somebody saying someone or something is great does not make it so.If Indians were so great, 'even the greatest scientist' would not be Albert Einstein, it would be an Indian, someone named Anil Sharma or P. Ramaswamy (and I am making thesename up at random) or whatever who WOULD HAVE discovered special and general relativity.And instead of the continuing 'challenge' of 'proving' Einstein's theories wrong, scientists would be testing Sharma's or Ramaswamy's Theory of Relativity and Sharma's or Ramaswamy's General Relativity.If Indians were so great, we would not need certificates from Voltaire, Schopenhauer, and Tesla, Schrodinger (in case of Mr. Vivekananda).The pinnacle of science is many things: it is advances in 'technology' and that is a very vast thing stretching from automobiles to computers to space exploration and much else.I am not a fan of the Indian IT industry but apparently it employs about two million 'IT professionals' and being an 'IT professional' is a 'much sought after' career in this country.The popularity of the engineering entrance exams and the scramble for the IITs and the rest is there for all to see.I do not think 'Sanksrit' is either going to provide 100 million jobs or help make human life 'better' in any significant way comparable to modern science & technology and advances in medicine.Chanting 'Om' is not going to transport humans to Mars.If Indians want to accomplish progress, the way ahead is clear. We got to 'ape' the West unfortunately.So, ISRO is still trying to perfect that cryogenic stage of the GSLV; something accomplished by NASA and the Soviets 50 years ago.We are merely following the West in developing our nuclear arsenal, our missile capability, our defense capabilities such as nuclear subs, aircraft carriers, jet fighters and so on.The point is, the West has been 'on the right track' since the Renaissance and looking a thousand years or two to languages like Sanskrit is not going to make India a 'world leader.'Once upon a time, Islam was at the forefront of knowledge too — in algebra and astronomy.But they too have not contributed much since about the 8 century A.D.For more, refer to Dr. Neil Tyson's lectures on YouTube.Watch debates on YouTube featuring Hitchens, Harris and Dawkins.Watch video lectures about the arrows of time or the multiverse or other fascinating ideas by people like Leonard Susskind or Sean Carroll.India constitutes one-sixth of the world population.Therefore, 90 out of the top 500 universities of the world should be Indian.At present, there is not a single Indian university in the top 100.The West has not made progress by clinging to the past and saying 'we produced Einstein.'With each generation, more research is conducted and Einstein, Heisenberg, and Pauli are succeeded in time by Dirac, Feynman, Dyson, Murray Gell-Mann, Alan Guth, John Mather, Wolfgang Ketterle and thousands of others.No, programming languages are not the absolute peak of human achievement.Perhaps the miniaturization in the manufacture of microprocessors is 'one' such peak.Building of the LHC at CERN is one such peak.Cassini orbiting Saturn is one such peak.The Voyagers far beyond Pluto is one such peak.The experiment fusion reactor is one such peak.As to India? Well ...600 million people without proper sanitation.Oh, did I mention that 'large' European countries typically have 60 million people?Israel and Switzerland have LESS than 10 million people.Sanskrit is not going to help.And hyper-ventilating about Husband Vivekananda's "great" speech from 1893 is not going to help either.
Devavrata Shwetketu Sachi Mohanty I am not "whoa"-ing, in response to your pathetic attempt that shows in no uncertain terms, that your present mental condition has deteriorated beyond any possible medical technology, thus and thereby making you vulnerable for all glamour gimmicks that market pulls on you. Please, you are a consumer, so try to behave like one. Go and watch Chennai Express again!And no, Sachidanandaghan means God; as Sachidananda means, Sat(truth)+Chit(consciousness)+Anand(joy), the one whose consciousness has attained its truest form (i.e. Nirvana, Moksh etc.) and so in this state, there is everlasting bliss, hence anand(joy).Again, since, God is always in this state and He cannot be quantatively perceived, but for the sake of indication, ghan(cloud), is used.Halla Bol Devavrata Shwetketu He is another of those wanabe's.
I can imagine his mother saying
‘Oh, I hate all that chanting-shanting.’Sachi Mohanty Halla Bol No, my mother only knows Odia and she is very 'God-fearing' and superstitious and ritualistic like most Indian people of that generation.Devavrata Shwetketu Halla Bol Vous êtes très juste pour ce personne!!! lolzzz