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MODERATES’ MOMENT TO RECLAIM ISLAM
Monday, 05 August 2013 | Balbir Punj | in Edit
Across the world from Turkey to Egypt to Pakistan, Islamists are on the rise. But as the Arab Spring at its peak proved, they can be pushed back if liberals and civil society leaders stand up to them

A world troubled by extremist Islam is watching Egypt’s streets and squares with bated breath. If the Army-backed liberals in that country win the confrontation with the Islamists, there may be a reversal in the steady march of fundamentalists in the region stretching from Tunisia in the west to Pakistan in the east.

Across the Mediterranean, Turkey too had caught the wind and it is the popular opposition to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan’s Islamist policies that somewhat broke the country’s slide into religious fundamentalism. Turkey is still under the shadow of that conflict — liberals backed by the Army are demanding a return to the 1920s era when Turkey was established as a Western-style modern state with a secular Constitution.

But recently the liberal traditions of Turkey have suffered a setback. For instance, on July 5, local Muslim fundamentalists in Trabzon offered their Ramzan prayers at an ancient Byzantine church in the north-eastern coastal city. This 13th century church was converted into a mosque around the 16th century and eventually became a museum in 1964. However, through a court verdict, the Islamists have reclaimed the building and converted it into a functioning mosque.

This incident only underlines the hard reality that extremist Islam does not tolerate either other faiths or even a small departure from the orthodox interpretation that it prescribes for the faithful. The Taliban- type zealots will not let girls study or work, they will not allow elections or representative forms of Government to function. They only wish to implement what they say are divine laws.

And so it comes as no surprise that both in Iran and Saudi Arabia — rival nations that represent Islam’s two main warring sects, the Shias and the Sunnis respectively — brutal medieval practices such as stoning criminals to death is legal and public participation statutorily defined, including the size of stones to be used.

There are, of course, moderate Islamic countries like Indonesia, Malaysia and Morocco, where some secular laws prevail, democratic norms and elected leaders are accepted, and extremists put down through a carrot-and-stick approach. But the Islamist threat looms large over these countries too, and there are no guarantees on when the situation will take a turn for the worse.

For instance, in Sunni-majority Iraq where a Shia Government has now come to power, the two sects are at each other’s throats. Similarly, in the 70s, when Islamists overthrew the secular Shah of Iran, they imposed a strict religious code. Since then, a council of clerics has governed Iran, handpicking, as was seen recently, even presidential candidates.

Take Bangladesh as another example. While Prime Minister Sheikh Hasina and her Awami League Government rescued the country from religious extremism, religious parties are waiting to tie up with the main Opposition party in that country to dethrone the secular ruling party and bring back the country’s Islamist Constitution.

The problems of religious fundamentalism today are best demonstrated in Pakistan. This is the month of Ramzan — a time of penance, piety and rededication to the divine path. Yet, in several places in Pakistan (a country that was carved out of united India to supposedly allow Muslims a safe haven), Muslim blood lies splattered on the lawns of mosques because different Islamic sects cannot agree on who is the true believer, and thus, they seek to force a decision by competitive bloodletting.

A few months back there was apprehension worldwide that Islamic extremism would swallow Pakistan as the Taliban and other Muslim clerics joined the call to boycott the general election. The civil society that liberated the nation from military dictatorship finally prevailed and a Government with an effective majority in the National Assembly was installed in office. However, the current level of bloodletting displays how the forces of fundamentalism can make the functioning of even moderate Islamism tenuous. In Bangladesh too, civil society has rallied in favour of a secular Constitution and has demanded harsh punishment for fundamentalist leaders who had sided with the Pakistani Army in 1971 and massacred millions of Bengalis.

Against this backdrop, what is happening in Egypt is reflective of things to come. Egyptian civil society had risen in revolt against the dictatorship of former President Hosni Mubarak and had succeeded in ousting him from power. In this, it was also joined by the fundamentalist Muslim Brotherhood that was long suppressed by the autocratic leader.

However, once successful, civil society and its liberal leaders let down their guard. The Brotherhood, on the other hand, seized power thanks to its well-knit socio-political organisation, and even got an illiberal Constitution approved through a widely-criticised referendum. Continuing economic distress and the increasing clout of Islamists, however, has now provoked the liberals to pour back into the streets and challenge the fundamentalists. The Army’s intervention in favour of the liberals has sealed the fate of the Islamists within the power corridors ,but the Brothers are now challenging the liberals on the streets.

At this stage, there is no telling how the confrontation will end. In December 2011, when the Tunisian people took to the streets to oust a three-decades-old autocracy, there was hope that there would be a new awakening in North Africa in favour of democracy and liberal values. That hope gained ground as the spirit of revolution spread from Tunisia to Libya and Egypt and Yemen and Bahrain.

And even though the Arab Spring has since threatened to turn into an Islamist winter, there is still a possibility that, in the Islamic crescent stretching from North Africa to Pakistan, there will be a determined confrontation between the forces of liberalism or moderate Islam and extremist Islam. Events in Egypt will indicate which way the wind will blow. The next few months will reveal if civil society leaders in the region have the power to contain jihadi terror, and promote the rule of law based on modern principles of jurisprudence, economic growth and gender equality.

The year 2014 will also be crucial as US troops withdraw from Afghanistan and expose the moderate but fragile Government of Hamid Karzai to the powerful Taliban’s attacks. If the Taliban returns to Kabul in any form, with the Pakistani establishment still holding on to the ‘defence in depth’ strategy against India, and if the confrontation in Egypt brings the ousted Islamist President Mohamed Morsi back to power, the world would have moved backwards and jihadi terror will be the gainer.


(The accompanying visual is of supporters of Egypt’s ousted President Mohamed Morsi chanting slogans against Egyptian Defence Minister General Abdel-Fattah el-Sisi, in Cairo. AP photo by Hassan Ammar)http://www.dailypioneer.com/columnists/edit/moderates-moment-to-reclaim-islam.html

http://www.youtube.com/embed/6-3X5hIFXYU

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU

Uploaded on Mar 30, 2009
Islam will overwhelm Christendom unless Christians recognize the demographic realities, begin reproducing again, and share the gospel with Muslims.

Date: Sat, 3 Aug 2013 06:56:06 +0530
Subject: Fwd: THE WORLD TO COME - A MUST WATCH
From: varekatx@gmail.com

Below is a forward from one of my friends warning the world against
burgeoning Muslim population in the West and the result it can have on
the Western culture which may be read as Christianity in the forwarded
footage. The footage is really impressive. But there is a major snag
and that is the producer assumes that only the populations will change
- Muslims increasing and Christians decreasing. That is not logical
thinking. It is a matrix of change with every change in one sector
bringing changes in other sectors.It is a dynamic world out there and
not a static world as assumed by the producer of this forwarded
footage.

Why do Muslims go to the West? They do not go there to spread Islam.
They go there for a better life. Initially they may swear by the faith
of their fathers. But in time they will realize that there is more to
having a good life than their 1400 year old religion and its
mumbo-jumbo.

The main accusation in the footage is that Muslims have more children
than others. This is due to lack of education and the resulting lack
of ability to think beyond their box. In Kerala for instance, Muslims
are more fertile than others. But they are getting more and more
educated and there are even Muslim girls in nursing which was
unthinkable a few decades ago. The day before yesterday I had to
appear in court and I saw two Muslims girls with covered heads. I am
also moderately active in propagating atheism and I am surprised by
the number of Muslims who are active in the movement. In fact
Malappuram district with the highest Muslim population in Kerala is
the most active in atheist movement and it is a Jabbar who heads one
of atheist groups in Kerala. The only issue is that they are not as
visible as the extremist Muslim groups like the Popular Front. What is
more among the educated Muslims in Kerala the fertility rate is lower
than among their uneducated cousins.

This implies that with education people will realize that religion is
not everything.
Everyone irrespective of their religion wants prosperity and a good
life. And for bringing about prosperity we need a social
infrastructure of cooperation. Cooperation can be brought about only
by logical thinking. Dogmatic thinking has no place in  a society
whose different ethnic groups are agreed that cooperation is the only
way to progress and prosper.

It is true Muslim society is a few centuries behind the West and there
will be a few hiccups in the beginning. But I am certain that Muslims
will see that a 1400 year old way of thinking is not going to be of
much help in the modern world. As they learn Physics and Chemistry and
the sciences they will have to adopt a more scientific outlook as I
did. So I am not fearful of an Armageddon on account of the burgeoning
Muslim population. Beneath their words and appearances Muslims are
basically human and aspire for much the same things as we do. They or
some of them maybe thinking that the Islam will pave the way to a
better life. But it is a matter of time before they are disillusioned
and consequently they will adopt the more fruitful ways of modern
society unfettered by Islam and its irrational and intolerant dogmas.

 THE WORLD TO COME - A MUST WATCH

Scary!!!!!! ----- but probably true, if we cannot reject them on time.

---------- Forwarded message ----------
From: Koenraad Elst <koenraadelst@hotmail.com>
Http://www.youtube.com/embed/6-3X5hIFXYU

Comrades,

Useful film on Islam's demographic take-over. The figures are in some
cases exaggerated, e.g. there are no 50% Muslims among Belgian
newborn. But on the whole the film is right. And even well-integrated
Muslim couples who have less children than their parents, still have
more than the natives. So, a Muslim majority is inevitable. The
development is faster and more spectacular in Europe than in India,
but essentially the same. South Asia will soon have 50% Muslims, and
before century's end, the Indian republic will be a Muslim-majority
country.

Xavier is right in the very long run: Muslims will abandon Islam and
choose all that life has to offer. But to think that religion and
material/social progress are opposites ruling each other out, is a
Christian prejudice. In Christianity, poverty counts as religious and
wealth as a harbinger of atheism. In Islam, it is not like that at
all. A shrinking native minority can still provide the brains to
generate economic wealth and progress, while the Muslim community will
benefit from it. That is only the fulfilment of Mohammed's promise to
his followers.

Among the factors protecting Islam from the hemorrhage that has
befallen European Christianity, is a greater social control, including
occasional honour killings. These are not that numerous, but
sufficient to send the message to all Muslims that they'd better stay
in line, or else... Then also they are helped in their propaganda by
non-Muslims wielding the reins of power: the pro-Muslim "secularists"
in India, multiculturalists in Europe. These are their first line of
defence, the "Pagans wielding the sword of Islam", ridiculing or
forbidding criticism of Islam (Xavier's own "rationalism").

In favour of Europe, I would say that unlike in India, where the
Islam-critical school of history pioneered by Sita Ram Goel has
practically died out, 9/11 has quickly generated many voices
criticizing Islam to the core. In the 90s I was a lone voice in the
desert, now there are many websites and even political parties
carrying the anti-Islamic message. The mainstream parties in power
have also taken some measures against immigration that will slow down
Islamic growth. All the same, it may be too little, too late.

That later generations of Muslims are less Islamic and more
integrated, as Xavier assumes, is belied by experience. On the
contrary, the first generation of immigrants often clung to
pre-Islamic custom (like the Berbers from Morocco's Rif mountains) and
lived their tradition, wearing Jellabahs and being very conspicuous
but also very unschooled in Islam. They also respected the developed
West. Their grandchildren speak the local language, go to local
schools, are far less Moroccan or Turkish than their grandparents --
and far more Muslim. Under our Freedom of Religion, we even pay for
their  Islamic Sunday schools. They use our democracy to further Islam
and then, when they are numerous enough, they will democratically
abolish democracy.

Just yesterday in Holland, the Turkish-born columnist Ebru Umar
criticized Islam on TV. She received two thousand hostile tweets from
fellow Dutch Turks. What struck her most was that these were not the
stereotypical bearded fundamentalists, but guys and girls who looked
well-integrated. They could easily serve as poster-boys for a
secularist documentary on how well-integrated they are, and how
ridiculous and paranoid the "Islamophobes" are. Underneath the
multicultural surface, Islam plots its take-over.

The only hope is that born Muslims themselves will abandon and destroy
Islam. But that promises to be a long process, and civil wars may by
then have erupted.

Kind regards,

KE


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