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Rock carving reportedly from Silemania, Iraq. Tantra-yukti questions and a call for critical evaluation by researchers

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सा* वधानम् ind. attentively , cautiously; mf()n. having attention , attentive , heedful , careful Bhartr2. HParis3.

See 9 May2013 post: http://vediccafe.blogspot.in/2013/05/ancient-central-asia-ramayana-connection.html The caption reads: "The rock relief is located on the cliff of mountain Darbadi Beula in the Zagos, Sulaimaniya, on the Iran-Iraq border."

Please see the ongoing discussions at http://satyavijayi.com/proof-of-ram-rajya-6000-year-old-lord-rama-and-hanuman-carvings-in-silemania-iraq/ with reference to news reports of early September 2015.

It will be rash to jump to conclusions. A lot of questions in archaeological context of recovery, provenience information remain unanswered. 

What is the location of this rock-cut frieze and cuneiform inscription? Has any archaeologist of the region visited the site and evaluated the locus and also the probable date of the inscription, images carved? 

Yes, Dilmunites had contacts with Sarasvati-Sindhu civilization evidenced by thousands of so-called Dilmun or Persian Gulf seals carrying Indus Script hieroglyphs, and 'inscriptions'. The contact area signified by sites of Susa, Shahdad, Tepe Yahya, Failaka west of Mohenjo-daro and along the Persian Gulf does contain names such as Assur (pronounced Ashur) and there are also inscriptional evidences from Bogazkhoy (further north) of Proto-Indo-Aryan divinities like Mitra, Varuna invoked. This phase of civilizational contacts have yet to be fully narrated with falsifiable evidences.

If the Cuneiform inscription is dated together with the accompanying person carrying a dhanus and an adorant (like Hanuman) at his feet, the key is to read the inscription in an attested language. We DO NOT KNOW what the language is and what the transcription of the inscription 'reads'. This has to be commented upon by Assyriologists and Cuneiform epigraphists.

In sum, critical evaluation of ancient texts and objective discussions are in order, without citing pseudo-historians like Romila Thapar or Cambridge History tomes.

We should deploy the procedures laid down on Tantra-yukti research methodologies in Indian tradition of scholarship which were followed by Panini and Caraka.

Comments together with links to the two reports are appended sourced from: http://satyavijayi.com/proof-of-ram-rajya-6000-year-old-lord-rama-and-hanuman-carvings-in-silemania-iraq/



6000 year old Lord Rama and Hanuman carvings in Silemania, Iraq

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AN ANCIENT RAM-CHAPEL IN SUMER
One of the major triumphs of modern archaeology was the hair-raising discoveries of Sir Leonard Woolley at Ur. Amidst the ruins of Ur, he unearthed a Ram-chapel but totally missed its relevance in world history. This crucial finding not only bridges the wide gaps between Indian tradition and archaeology but also unfolds the historic bonds that once united ancient India, Iran and Sumer. Ram-Sin of (Larsa) to whose memory this chapel was dedicated must have been Rama of Valmiki. The name Ararama of Larsa may be an echo of Rama. This Ram-Chapel of Ur is the earliest known memorial to the great Rama and may have been erected by Dilmun merchants who resided nearby. Dilmun was always mentioned in the Sumerian texts together with Magan and Melukkha and it is possible that these three states were somehow allied to each other.
RAMA, BHARATA & LAKSHMANA IN SUMER
The Cambridge Ancient History[xvi][iii] which is usually not considered as a sourcebook for Indian history by writers like Romila Thapar contains priceless information relevant to Indian ancient history. In the highly authentic Sumerian king list appears such hallowed names as Bharat (Warad) Sin and Ram Sin. As Sin was the Moon god Chandra Ram Sin can be seen to be same as Rama Chandra. Bharat Sin ruled for 12 years (1834-1822 BC), exactly as stated in the Dasaratha Jataka. The Jataka statement, “Years sixty times hundred, and ten thousand more, all told, / Reigned strong-armed Rama”, only means that Rama reigned for sixty years which agrees exactly with the data of Assyriologists. Ram Sin was the longest reigning monarch of Mesopotamia who ruled for 60 years. The mention of the father in the inscriptions of both Warad Sin and Ram Sin is noteworthy and may point to a palace intrigue. Joan Oates is not aware of the Ramayana but writes with great insight (p. 61) that Warad sin was manoeuvred to the throne by his father. In Mesopotamia, a prince normally became king only after the death of his father. Lakshmana, mentioned the Bible as Lakhamar, ruled as a great king.
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  1. Excellent piece of information. The jig saw seems to be coming together. There was one Mr PN Oak who propounded the theory of Hindu nation that expanded from Europe to east Asia. He gave several proofs in his books (which were banned to appease the Muslim lot in India). Now with science and technology we can ascertain the age of these findings and reconstruct the past. Many thanks.
    • Mr. Bhosle, it connotes one and the same thing from a historical perspective. Like Sudheer Barvey suggests above, do go through P N Oak’s research for this. The names – Iran and Iraq are both of Sanskrit roots.
  • The idea of a single lineage of kings, descendants of the Sun God, finds itself in the mythologies of many ancient cultures. This furthers the historic significance of this common theme. As the Perfect Being, Rama could have easily served as role model and deity for many ancient cultures.
    Another commonly held view is the possible link of Tamil and Sumerian peoples and culture. Iramanai, the Tamil name for Rama, and his story is quite significant in Bronze Age Tamil thought. Further evidence of Pan-Vedic civilization which once, like Christianity today, held influence over much of the world.
  • finding very good khowledge and happy to watch and read this type historical and religion articals.
  • Dhiraj its much older than that as per the discovery of the Ramayana Bridge which was dated estimately 1.7million years recently….it exactly depicting the Treta Yuga in our religion… History of India need to be rewritten again as so many things that discovered recently put the current histroy to a very big question mark!
  • Dates given here don’t tally. If Bharat ruled between 1834 – 1822 BC then it makes it only @3800 – 3900 years old and not 6000.
  • Those who are concerned about dates, understand that the Biblical idea that the world was created some 6000 thousand years ago; has played a highly influential part in deciding dates of archaeological sites and events. There is also a hidden agenda of undermining other cultures. You will not find anything that was older than 6000 BC generally. Only modern scientists and researchers from the West are now dating events beyond 8000BC.
    Dinesh and Skanda, were you there during 1834 BC to so categorically state that Bharat ruled for those 12 years? Just 12 years?
    Geological events related ice age that happened 15000 years ago, are described in Rigveda. While the British researchers have hard time assigning 800BC as the time when Rigveda was written.
    Bottom line is just keep an open mind. Don’t have to surrender to everything said by some old white “so called” scholars. Use your own judgment.
  • Proof of Ram Rajya: 6000 year old Lord Rama and Hanuman carvings in Silemania, Iraq

    History seems to be unveiling itself in a very mysterious way. Upon observation on the series of events that has happened over a year and half we could see the resurgence of Dharma and the followers of Dharma are getting a sense of re-connection with their culture, tradition, philosophy and the beliefs that they have believed on for over 1000’s of years.
    The faith of Hindus in their culture, tradition and philosophy has been so strong that wherever a Hindu ideology persists that environment has been peaceful, prosperous and happy, and that is why we have noticed that many rulers who came to conquer this great Hindu civilization in the end became a part of it; so be it Jews, Persians, Europeans or the Mohammedans. This belief is driven by philosophy of acceptance and co-existence to attain the highest goal.
    One key feature of Hindu civilization has been the belief of RAM RAJYA, which means a kingdom ruled by Lord Ram, a man of highest ideal with utmost love and compassion for his people and strongly abiding by the values of righteousness. Its an ideal stage of human existence where people live in harmony, respect and compassionate towards each other strongly guided by values of righteousness.
    Owing to this fact Lord Ram’s life has set an exemplifying standards for Hindus to live their life with righteousness guiding every actions of Hindus. It is also believed that Earth was always ruled by two forces Dharmic and Adharmic forces and when we look into our own life, we understand that we are also guided by two forces, path of righteousness and deceitfulness.
    It is believed that RAM RAJYA, highest form of good governance of Ram almost engulfed across the world where every man respected each other for what they were. This idyllic living continued for a very long time where humanity was at its highest form touching the summit, and then gradually like any cycle of change sees downfall, humanity also lost that sweet spot and saw the rise of Adharmic (evil) forces where life was filled with lie, cheat, deceits and clashes.
    Ram Rajya had its reach through out the entire world centering from India. The recent discovery of Sir Leonard Woolley at Ur. Amidst the ruins of Ur, unearthed a Ram-chapel that totally missed its relevance in world history. This crucial finding not only bridges the wide gaps between Indian tradition and archaeology but also unfolds the historic bonds that once united ancient India, Iran and Sumer. Ram-Sin of (Larsa) to whose memory this chapel was dedicated must have been Rama of Valmiki. The name Ararama of Larsa may be an echo of Rama. This Ram-Chapel of Ur is the earliest known memorial to the great Rama and may have been erected by Dilmun merchants who resided nearby. Dilmun was always mentioned in the Sumerian texts together with Magan and Melukkha and it is possible that these three states were somehow allied to each other.
    Do share your feedback and stories and we would so that we could reach out to people with similar revelations.
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    Image of an ancient Ram temple in Sumer
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    Parthasarathy Govind · 
    During Sri Rama's period ,there was no Iran/Iraq .It would have been a vast land of desert or forest within the Rama Rajya of Kosala Kingdom.It is possible that the later day migrants from the mainland also might have constructed
    Like · Reply · 5 · Oct 9, 2015 4:57pm
    Krishna Murthi · 
    Present day Iran was actually a colony of Rawan. After his fall, the temple might have been built as remembrance of Sriram by Vibeesana or his relatives. Dhandakaranya forest was also territory belonging to Rawana .He gave that territory to his kinsmen to rule . When Srirama was camping at above forest unknowingly about the ruler of that forest, Surpanaka, who was on a visit to her brother Karan's place, happened to see and fall in love with Srirama. When her nose was cut, she immeadiately rushed to Karan for help to take revenge.
    Like · Reply · 2 · Oct 9, 2015 6:58pm
    Partha Sarathi
    Wierd don't you think that the stories of ram and raavan happened in one corner of the world while he is worshipped all the way here in south asia?
    Like · Reply · Oct 10, 2015 2:36am
    अभिषेक भरद्वाज · 
    Partha Sarathi it is possible as Ramayana took place in different Kalpa there are 72 kalpa in one manvantar that is why we have different versions of Ramayana. One kalpa means 16 lakhs years of Satyuga , 8 lakh years of Tretayuga and 6 lakh years of dwapar yuga and 4 lakhs of years Kaliyuga .... this 27 or 28 kalp of 6th manvantar ..... God's universe is bigger and biggest and far far far away from our imgination ... so everything is possible
    Like · Reply · 3 · Oct 10, 2015 7:37am
    Mahendra Patel · 
    He could be anybody with a bow and arrow. But here Ram is identified by presence of Hanuman sitting in reverence. Partha is this good enough?
    Like · Reply · 3 · Oct 10, 2015 3:45pm
    Hema Nalini Garimella · 
    A great revelation
    Like · Reply · 2 · Oct 9, 2015 6:20am
    Partha Sarathi
    Could be any character... isn't it? Bow and arrow were not uncommon now were they?
    That carving could literally be any two characters... like ra's al ghul bowing before the arrow tongue emoticon
    Like · Reply · 2 · Oct 9, 2015 6:31pm
    Arpan Manu · 
    Tum waqai chutiye ho. Apni maa se poochh na paida kyon kiya tumhe?
    Like · Reply · 3 · Oct 10, 2015 2:18am
    Partha Sarathi
    you really find my question so obvious toh simply answer with evidences why is it a photo of ram and not of nebuchadnezzar (an old mesopotamian king)... 'aap chutiye ho' does not really negate my sentence it only says you disagree with me
    Like · Reply · 1 · Oct 10, 2015 2:31am
    Partha Sarathi
    Arpan Manu Maa ne mujhe society ka responsible insaan hone ke liye paida kiya... to think logically and reply with evidences and not go around calling 6000 year old pictures found in one corner of the world to be that of a god worshipped here....
    Like · Reply · 1 · Oct 10, 2015 2:34am
    Pankaj Srivastava · 
    This archeological finding must be correlated to history writing in real sense.
    Like · Reply · 2 · Oct 10, 2015 2:12pm
    Krishna Murthi · 
    Partha Sarathi ----
    Even this day, there are people in Srilanka , who believe that Rawana went into koma stage, (and not dead,) attacked by Srirama, and after recovery , secretly he flew to present day Iran/Iraq. What else can be reason for a temple of Srirama at Iraq. We all know Buddha was born and preached in India. How is it that a huge statue of him was found in Afganistan, which was destroyed by terrorists some time ago. Some time back, an idol of Srivishnu was found in Russia. And Swastika symbols and Siva lingams also were found. Primier Putin was very much surprisee by these discoveries and has made a thorough research and has come to some conclusions. Nagas, who ruled Srilanka before capture of thier kingdom by asuras , escaped to south america, and were known as MAYANS.
    Srinath Bitkuri · 
    great revelation
    Like · Reply · 1 · Oct 9, 2015 11:56am


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