A hidden, tiny and yet, extremely important part of India’s modern history will soon be revealed to the world once the translation of the Gunjala Gondi manuscripts is completed within the next week. The manuscripts, written in the extinct Gondi script, subsequently named the Gunjala Gondi script, were discovered in the sleepy village of Narnoor mandal in Adilabad district in 2011, leading to a whole range of possibilities, especially in historical research.

The Centre for Dalit and Adivasi Studies and Translation (CDAST) of the University of Hyderabad, with Professor V. Krishna as its coordinator, has undertaken translation of ten manuscripts which talk of the history of the Gond Kingdom of Chandrapur (in present day Maharashtra), besides depicting Gondi culture in the form of the Ramayana. A team from CDAST is currently translating the manuscripts dating back to 1750 at Gunjala with the help of Gondi pandits.

The manuscripts will be translated to Hindi and Telugu for the benefit of the Gond community spread across six States, as well as non-Gonds. Meanwhile, the font for the Gunjala Gondi script has already been finalised.

“The manuscripts talk about the freedom struggle of the Chandrapur Gond Kings who fought against the British, and the history of the Pardhan tribe which has an intrinsic and inseparable connection with the Gonds. One of the episodes relate to the rebellion of the legendary Ramji Gond who fought the British at Nirmal town in Adilabad district with the help of Rohillas,” said Professor Jayadheer Tirumal Rao, visiting Professor at CDAST, who was instrumental in bringing to light the discovery.

One of the important aspects in the life of Gond Kings highlighted in the manuscripts was their relationship with Myanmar (then known as Burma). The relationship was forged by people from the Pardhan community in the 6th or 7th Century CE.

“There is a record of the origins of the famous Nagoba Jatara at Keslapur in Indervelli mandal which is an important chapter in the history of Gondwana. The translation will also help us understand the relation between different communities in those times,” Mr. Rao added.

http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/gondi-manuscript-translation-to-reveal-gondwana-history/article5595317.ece

Published: December 16, 2014 23:46 IST | Updated: December 17, 2014 00:55 IST

Gonds may have migrated from Indus Valley

S. Harpal Singh

The Hindu

CRUCIAL LINK TO THE PAST: The photograph found in a cave in Hampi. Photo: Special Arrangement.

“On the goddess Kotamma temple woollen market way there is a rocky roof shelter for shepherds and sheep to stay at night up to morning.” This innocuous sounding statement could actually be a revolutionary find linking the adivasi Gond tribe to the Indus Valley civilisation, which flourished between 2500 B.C. and 1750 BC.

The sentence emerged after a set of 19 pictographs from a cave in Hampi were deciphered using root morphemes of Gondi language, considered by many eminent linguists as a proto Dravidian language. Eleven of the Hampi pictographs resemble those of the civilisation, according to Dr. K.M. Metry, Head and Dean, Social Sciences, Kannada University, Hampi; Dr. Motiravan Kangali, a linguist and expert in Gondi language and culture from Nagpur, Maharashtra; and his associate Prakash Salame, also an expert in Gondi.

They were in Utnoor to participate in the 4th National workshop on standardisation of Gondi dictionary when they spoke to The Hindu about their study of the pictographs. Though the ‘discovery’ is yet to be authenticated, Dr. Metry and his associates are very optimistic about their work.

“Instead of looking at the painting from an archaeological or purely linguistic point of view, we took the cultural way to decipher the pictographs. Gondi culture being totemic, has a lot of such symbols also associated with Ghotul schools,” said Dr. Metry.

“Gondi is a proto Dravidian language and gives enough scope for studying the pictographs though its root morphemes,” observed Dr. Kangali. “Application of the root morphemes helped us in deciphering the 19 pictographs,” he added.

If the discovery stands the scrutiny of experts in the field, it would mean that the Gonds living in central and southern India could have migrated from the Indus Valley civilisation. “Meanwhile, we will continue with our work applying it to other paintings in the Hampi area to establish a Gondi-Harappan link,” the Professor said.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/telangana/gonds-may-have-migrated-from-indus-valley/article6698419.ece

WEDNESDAY, DECEMBER 17, 2014

Gondi Pictographs and the Indus Valley Script

The mysterious writing left behind by the Harappan or Indus Valley civilization has frustrated every attempt at translation. In fact it has proved so difficult to extract any meaning from the brief strings of signs that are all we have of the script that some linguists have argued that it can't really be a written language at all.

Which is why people are paying attention to this obscure news itemfrom India.

“On the goddess Kotamma temple woollen market way there is a rocky roof shelter for shepherds and sheep to stay at night up to morning.” This innocuous sounding statement could actually be a revolutionary find linking the adivasi Gond tribe to the Indus Valley civilisation, which flourished between 2500 B.C. and 1750 BC.

The sentence emerged after a set of 19 pictographs from a cave in Hampi were deciphered using root morphemes of Gondi language, considered by many eminent linguists as a proto Dravidian language. Eleven of the Hampi pictographs resemble those of the civilisation, according to Dr. K.M. Metry, Head and Dean, Social Sciences, Kannada University, Hampi; Dr. Motiravan Kangali, a linguist and expert in Gondi language and culture from Nagpur, Maharashtra; and his associate Prakash Salame, also an expert in Gondi.

The Gondi people are scattered around central India, mainly in hilly areas, and were generally considered primitive by their valley and town dwelling neighbors. While those neighbors spoke Hindi or some other Indo-European language, Gondi is a Dravidian language quite close (some say) to the root language from which the many Dravidian tongues of south India derive. One odd thing about this new story is that it says nothing about the age of the Gondi inscription; just based on the photograph I would say it can't be more than a few hundred years old. It would be quite amazing if a system of signs used by seventeenth-century shepherds provided read clues toward the translation of the Indus script, lost since 1700 BCE.

Of course many people have tried before to render the Indus script into proto-Dravidian, without any success. People want the Indus script to be written Dravidian because of Indo-European linguistics. Most languages of northern India derive from Sanskrit, which is an Indo-European language related to Old Persian, and the simplest way to get Sanskrit into India is to imagine a wave of invaders from central Asia sweeping over the Hindu Kush just like the Muslim invaders of medieval times. The most sensible time for this to have happened is the second millennium BCE, that is, just after the Indus Valley civilization collapsed. If the Indus script was Dravidian, that fits perfectly with this model. On the other hand there is pretty much no archaeological evidence for such an Indo-European invasion, and these days most Indian nationalists hate it.

This may be just another crazy idea cooked up by some overly imaginative professors, but I find myself hoping that this particular crazy idea turns out to have something to it.

http://benedante.blogspot.in/2014/12/gondi-pictographs-and-indus-valley.html

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The eternal Harappan script tease -- Lhendup G Bhutia

28 November 2014

The Eternal Harappan Script Tease

New findings raise an old question: Do South Indians belong to the Indus Valley Civilisation?

BY Lhendup G Bhutia EMAIL AUTHOR(S)

ARCHAEOLOGY

Dr KM Metry, Professor of Tribal Studies at Kannada University, who discovered what appear to be rock paintings of the Harappan script in Hampi (Photo: MANOJ PATIL)

Around two kilometres away from the famous Vittala Temple in Hampi, Karnataka, through a dirt road that few individuals use, one reaches an abandoned area with banana plantations on one side and hills dotted with oversized boulders on the other. Locals tend to leave the caves on these hills alone since it isn’t uncommon to find sloth bears and cheetahs in them. Around 10 years ago, KM Metry, a Kannada University professor of Tribal Studies who was researching instances of human-bear conflict in the area and visiting sites in search of stone tools used by tribals of the olden days, was walking alone on this dirt road when he saw what he thought was a light scribble on a rock in the distance.

Professor Metry climbed the hill on which the rock stood and started splashing it with water to get a clearer look at what he had spotted. It turned out to be nothing like he had seen before. It was an ancient rock painting, drawn, he says, with some form of vegetable oil, and containing as many as 22 symbols. He continued to discover similar rock paintings with different symbols around Hampi after that.

In the following years, his research on Gondi culture and visits to tribal areas in Chhattisgarh convinced him that the rock paintings he had encountered in Hampi were Gondi symbols. This led him to believe what quite a few other scholars also claim—that all speakers of Dravidian languages, and by extension the people who live in South India, owe their ancestry to the Gond tribe. Some years ago, he chanced upon a book by a Gond scholar who argued that the yet- undeciphered script of the Indus Valley Civilisation is a combination of Gondi symbols. After several years of persuasion, last month, Metry was able to convince the author of the book, Motiravan Kangale, to visit the spot where he had discovered the rock paintings. Of the 22 characters, Kangale was able to identify and interpret the meaning of five that occur both in Gond culture and the Indus Valley Civilisation. The other characters, Kangale says, were not clear enough to identify easily.

“This is a major find,” Metry says. “Not only does it show that the Indus script is connected to Gondi language and culture, it proves that the modern-day Gond [Tribals] and South Indians are people of the Indus Valley Civilisation. The Harappans migrated from the Indus Valley to South India.”

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The Indus Valley Civilisation has puzzled archaeologists and researchers ever since it was first discovered in the early twentieth century. Who were these ancient people who lived along the Indus River between 3,300 and 1,300 BCE? What could have happened to the builders of perhaps one of the greatest ancient civilisations? Could they have been wiped out by a flood or a superior military force, as some researchers argue? Or did they abandon the northwest part of the subcontinent because the river they depended upon dried up, or changed course, to migrate to other parts like South India, as Metry suggests?

Most researchers have turned to the tiny symbols and inscriptions on the seals and tablets found at Indus Valley sites for answers to these questions. And therein lies the perplexity. So far, despite several attempts to study the 417 identified Indus Valley symbols that have been found on over 4,000 objects, no one has come close to deciphering the script. Objects bearing it have been found all over, from the Indus Valley sites of Mohenjo-daro and Harappa to far-off places in West Asia. Each object typically has five or six symbols, and these occur in various sequences. Some researchers have even claimed that the symbols do not represent a language at all, and are merely pictograms of political or religious icons.

The likes of Metry and Kangale claim that the ability to decipher the script has proven elusive because no one has attempted to study the script using Gondi symbols and language. They point out how many of the symbols in the script resemble those found in Ghotuls, the traditional learning centres for unmarried Gond youngsters found in some of their villages. They claim that the famous Pashupati seal with the figure of a man with horns echoes the old Gondi practice of wearing a crown of horns for religious occasions. “When you start looking at the script keeping in mind Gondi symbols, then everything becomes clear,” Kangale says. “It shows that the Harappans travelled via central India to the south, with some of them settling in Central India and a majority of them in the South.”

One of the most interesting projects on the Indus script is being undertaken at Mumbai’s Tata Institute of Fundamental Research (TIFR). In league with researchers from the University of Washington, and using mathematics and computer science, TIFR researchers have been able to establish that Indus symbols constitute a language. The researchers analysed the statistical pattern of the script, calculating the degree of randomness in successive symbols of a sequence, and compared them to non-linguistic systems such as human DNA, protein sequences and also four linguistic scripts—English, Old Tamil, Rig Vedic Sanskrit and Sumerian. They also compared the Indus script to Fortran, a computer programming language. The results, published in the journal Science in 2009, showed that the Indus inscriptions are indeed linguistic in nature, display- ing the same level of randomness and patterns as the languages used for comparison, and differing from Fortran and other non-linguistic systems.

According to Mayank Vahia, an astrophysicist at TIFR and one of the researchers studying the script, the theory of Indus Valley people having migrated to South India has very little basis in scientific evidence, and artefacts being found in the South are unremarkable in themselves. “Since the people of the Indus Valley Civilisation were in contact with people from as far as Mesopotamia, exchanges with people from South India are likely,” he says.

In support of their argument, those who propose the migration theory point to the discovery in Tamil Nadu eight years ago of a ‘celt’—a hand-held axe of the Indus Valley Civilisation. A school teacher from Sembian-Kandiyur, near Mayiladuthurai in Tamil Nadu’s Nagapattinam district, had dug up two ‘celts’ in his backyard. One of them was inscribed with four symbols from the Indus script. But, as Vahia says, “An axe with Indus inscriptions on it has never been [found at] the Indus sites, but even if it were to be genuine, the axe is a movable object and it very likely could have travelled there.”

What is often missed in these arguments is that script and language are distinct from each other. Seals with Indus symbols, in sequences that are different from the Indus Valley’s, have been found in modern-day Iraq and Bahrain, suggesting that the Indus script was being used as part of a different language or information system in those parts (with which there is evidence of ancient trade links). If an Indus script discovered in South India somehow bears resemblance to a Dravidian language or culture, it does not necessarily mean that speakers of Dravidian languages are descendants of Indus Valley people. The historian Michel Danino rubbishes the theory of the latter’s southward migration in a paper he presented at the International Symposium on Indus Civilisation and Tamil Language in 2007. He wrote: ‘There is no archaeological evidence of a southward migration through the Deccan after the end of the urban phase of the Indus- Sarasvati civilization… The only actual evidence of movements at that period is of Late Harappans migrating towards the Ganges plains and towards Gujarat... Migration apart, there is a complete absence of Harappan artefacts and features south of the Vindhyas: no Harappan designs on pottery, no Harappan seals, crafts and ornaments, no trace of Harappan urbanism… Cultural continuity from Harappan to historical times has been increasingly documented in North India, but not in the South… This means, in effect, that the south-bound Late Harappans would have reverted from an advanced urban bronze-age culture to a Neolithic one! Their migration to South would thus constitute a double “archaeological miracle”: apart from being undetectable on the ground, it implies that the migrants experienced a total break with all their traditions. Such a phenomenon is unheard of.’

Nisha Yadav, who has been researching the Indus script with Vahia, points out that even if the rock paintings with the alleged Indus script are ancient, someone could well have imitated the script. “The Indus script has always been small, and found on tablets or seals. The length of the average inscription is five signs and the longest so far found is 17 signs long. But the size of the symbols in Hampi is large and is 22 characters long. Also, no one has ever found the Indus script as rock paintings.”

The claim of the Indus Valley Civilisation being proto-Dravidian—or even linked to the Vedic age, as some have claimed in the past—has implications for a long-running political debate over the subcontinent’s original inhabitants. The migration theory, for example, gels with the theory that Indo- Iranians, or Aryans, came from the Caspian Sea area with their Vedic culture and drove the Indus Valley’s Dravidian inhabitants to the southern parts of the peninsula. Up against this is the assertion that Indus Valley was part of a Vedic culture of early Hinduism, an alternate theory that bolsters the claim that Vedic beliefs had their origin in the sub- continent and there had never been an Aryan invasion of north India.

After the discovery of the celt, the then Tamil Nadu Chief Minister M Karunanidhi of the Dravida Munnetra Kazhagam was reported to have said at an election rally, in the presence of former Prime Minister Manmohan Singh, that archaeological findings reveal that Tamils belong to a race of Dravidians who lived in the Indus Valley, and how he himself was a descendant of theirs.

According to Vahia, the Harappans were neither connected to the Vedic age, nor proto-Dravidians who moved to South India. One of the chief inconsistencies of the Indus-as-Vedic theory is the complete absence of references to horses in Indus Valley artefacts, while horses were integral to most Rig Vedic rituals and customs. Vahia says, “The Harappans belonged to the ancient Homo sapiens who migrated from Africa as early as 60,000 years ago. A part of this group travelled to the Mediterranean and another travelled along the coast of the Arabian Sea, and some of them settled in the Indus Valley region. At the end of the Ice Ages, the group that went to the Mediterranean moved east and enter- ed India, where they met the earlier migrants who had come along the seas, sometime around 2,500 years BCE. The new entrants, Indo-Iranians, composed the Vedas and later included the learning of the Harappans.”

Writes Vahia writes in an academic paper: ‘It seems logical that post 2000 BC, the Harappans merged with the migrants of Central Asia and then drifted farther east into the Gangetic planes… It is therefore more logical to assume that the Harappan people and the Vedic people merged into a single human group.’

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Another novel research study is currently being conducted to understand who the Harappans were and if their descendants could be living among us. In collaboration with researchers of Seoul National University College in Korea and the Archaeological Survey of India, researchers from Pune’s Deccan College Postgraduate and Research Institute (DCPRI) are trying to excavate burial mounds in Rakhigarhi, an Indus Valley site in Haryana, to find parasite eggs that might have once existed in the stomachs of Indus Valley people. “If these parasite eggs are found, it could lead to something remarkable. We could be able to isolate the DNA of their host,” says Vasant Shinde, a senior archaeologist and vice chancellor at DCPRI.

An earlier attempt to undertake DNA and genome sequencing of skeletons found in Farmana, another Indus site in Haryana, had proved unsuccessful since the wet acidic soil of the region had destroyed all DNA in the remains of the dead. However, earlier this year, the researchers were able to locate a cattle bone whose marrow appeared fit enough for study. According to Shinde, the bone appears to be intact, although they can’t identify what exact animal it belonged to or what part of the skeleton it is. “So far, the bone looks good enough,” he says. “We can’t say what exactly this bone will reveal, but we hope it will be able to tell us something about the connection between the animal and its master.”

While the Indus script still remains shrouded in mystery, and we are as still nowhere close to understanding who the Indus Valley people were or what happened to them, there has been some remarkable progress of late.

Earlier this year, the team led by Shinde discovered two new mounds in addition to the seven already discovered in Rakhigarhi, taking the total area of the site to around 350 hectares. This is much larger than Mohenjo-daro, which was once considered the largest Harappan settlement. “Much of Rakhigarhi is still under a present-day village with around 5,000 inhabitants. So in actuality, it is larger than anyone has ever imagined,” Shinde says.

Rakhigarhi, along with other Harappan sites, had been discovered way back in the 1960s. It had always been thought that the ancient civilisation had its origin in Sind, where Mohenjo-daro and Harappa are located, and later spread to distant sites in modern day Haryana. But archaeologists are now considering the possibility that it was here that the Indus Valley Civilisation first flourished. “The excavations in Haryana are throwing up really early dates, where the early Harappan phase could go back to even 5000 BCE. We still need to confirm that, but Rakhigarhi looks like the place where the civilisation began.”

The TIFR group under Vahia has also discovered two structures used for astronomy in the Indus Valley, proving for the first time that the civilisation was far from primitive in this field of exploration. The two circular structures, located exactly on the Tropic of Cancer, at Dholavira in Gujarat’s Kutch district, were initially thought to be servant’s quarters. “It is implausible that an advanced civilisation like the Indus Valley did not have any knowledge of astronomy,” Vahia says, seated in his office at TIFR, surrounded by shelves packed with books on the subject. “Yet, no one had ever discovered any evidence of it. These structures we discovered were probably useful to understand the time of the day and night, seasons, years, and perhaps even longer periods.”

Since having established that the Indus script is neither random nor dis- orderly, TIFR researchers have also been working on uncovering the subtleties of the script’s structure. They have identified specific signs that begin and end the texts. They have found that the script displays a remarkable uniformity across vast stretches of terrain. They have also found the sequence of Indus symbols used in inscriptions found in West Asia—with whom the Harappans are believed to have had trade links—to be different from those found in Indus Valley; the same script, in effect, being used to represent a different language.

Since there exist frequently-occurring sign combinations that tend to appear at specific locations in the texts, the researchers have also been able to predict illegible or incomplete text found on broken or damaged objects with about 75 per cent accuracy.

One issue that has posed an obstacle to researchers is the presence of what appear to be composite symbols, or symbols that look like an amalgamation of two or more other symbols. Had the Indus Valley people devised shorthand, or do these composites convey meaning combinations of their constituent symbols? TIFR researchers, using computational methods, have been able to compare the ‘environment’ (the signs that precede or follow an inscription sequence) of given constituent and composite symbols, and shown that the Indus people did not write in abbreviations, and that since the environments of composite and constituent symbols are different, the meaning of a composite symbol is not the simple addition of two constituent symbols.

Tapping her fingers on a glass table with images of the Indus script, Yadav says, “Gradually, we are learning to understand the structure of the Indus script. We don’t know what it means. We probably will never know what the symbols are telling us until we discover something like the Rosetta Stone [the stone with a decree inscribed in three scripts, ancient Egyptian hieroglyphs, Demotic script, and ancient Greek, the discovery of which helped researchers translate Egyptian hieroglyphs]. But we are learning its structure, its patterns and sequences. We hope to, with our work, be able to help future attempts to interpret the language.”

At this point, Vahia joins in, pointing at Yadav, who is seated across another table. “The two of us will soon be able to write to each other in flawless Harappan. But we won’t understand a word or letter of what we are writing.”

Comment

Arun Murthy 13 hours ago

The Indus valley symbols do not represent any language or script. They were essentially a non-literate (no written language) civilization. This is not to belittle that civilization. There were many great civilizations without any script/writing. It is futile to find literary meanings in the Harappan symbols. Read papers by Steve Farmer and Michael Witzel.

http://www.openthemagazine.com/article/nation/the-eternal-harappan-script-tease

BALLARI, November 5, 2014

Updated: November 5, 2014 07:42 IST

Drawings of Harappan era discovered near Hampi

SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT

Pictographs of the Harappan era in Gondi dialect found near Hampi, Karnataka. Photo: Special Arrangement

As many as 20 drawings were found on a boulder on top of a hill near Talwarghatta, adjacent to river Tungabhadra.

Pictographs of the Sindu (Harappan) culture have been discovered on rocks near the world famous Hampi. As many as 20 drawings were found on a boulder on top of a hill near Talwarghatta, adjacent to river Tungabhadra.

Experts in Gondi script, including Dr. Moti Ravan Kangale and Sri Prakash Salame of Nagpur, have identified them as Sindu (Harappan) culture-based script in Gondi dialect.

Gond culture

They also pointed out that such drawings are found in Chhattisgarh and also in interior structures of Gotuls (learning centres for youths) in Bastar region, K.M. Metry, Professor and Head Department of Tribal Studies, Hampi Kannada University told The Hindu.

“Dr. Kangale identified as many as five of the 20 pictographs of Gondi dialect – aalin (man), sary(road/way), nel (paddy), sukkum (star/dot), nooru (headman).

His observations strengthen the belief that Gond culture has been transmitted to the Tungabhadra basin,” Prof. Metry said. Prof. Metry felt that with this discovery, there was need for a thorough research to find out Gotuls in and around Hampi.

http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/karnataka/drawings-of-harappan-era-discovered-near-hampi/article6564607.ece

Decipherment of INDUS VALLEY script in GONDI language

Posted on November 10, 2014 by admin

Dr Motiravan Kangale who had claimed deciphering the Harappa script relating it to the ancient tribal Gondi script, are helping decipher the writing found in Hampi, Metry said. The discovery was made near Talwara Ghatta on the way to Vijaya Vittala Temple in the UNESCO World Heritage Site.

“Dr Kangale and Salame were in Hampi between August 24 and 29 for a seminar on the Gondi language. I took them to these writings. On the spot, Kangale was able to decipher five of the 20 characters,” Metry said. The professor said that the symbols resemble symbols on the famous Pasupati Seal found in Mohenjo-Daro. “There are other such writings of symbols similar to these in other places in Hampi. Once all are studied, we can prove that the Harappans migrated to South India and a crucial link in our prehistory can be established.”

However, historians are calling for caution. Eminent historian Dr S Shettar said, “Recently there were claims of a Harappan engraving on a piece of stone in Tamil Nadu. But unlike a rock face, stone pieces and seals can travel long distances. In this case too, we need very solid evidence. If the discovery is true, it is wonderful. But it has to be viewed very carefully. From about 2000 BCE when the Harappan/Indus civilisation ended and the times of Ashoka in the 3rd Century BCE, we do not have clarity of the continuity in Indian history. The Indus civilisation has been demarcated as Early, Mature and Late Harappan.

“But the writings found there are not as clearly demarcated. Even the true nature of the Harappan writings is in question. So if you find a discovery beyond the conventional Indus Civilisation area, you have to be very careful while making any claims. You need to say which language was used, which script was used and the continuity. A language or script cannot remain stagnant for 1,000 years. This cannot happen with a single find. Let there not be empty speculation,” he said.

http://jayseva.com/decipherment-of-indus-valley-script-in-gondi-language/

Prof sees Harappan script in Hampi

By Shyam Prasad S, Bangalore Mirror Bureau | Nov 4, 2014, 04.00 AM IST

One of the paintings seen on a wall near Talwara Ghatta at Hampi, which Prof. KM Metry (inset) claims to be Late Harappan writing

Historians call for caution in reading too much into hilltop paintings near heritage site

This could turn out to be one of the biggest archaeological finds in South India. Dr KM Metry, professor of tribal studies at the Kannada University, Hampi, has found prehistoric paintings on a hilltop in Hampi, which he claims is Late Harappan writing.

The series of 20 characters found resembles the Late Harappan writing of the Indus Valley Civilisation, says Metry. The professor claims that this shows that after the collapse of the civilisation situated in North-West India, the Harappans moved to other parts of the country including the Deccan.

Speaking to Mirror, Metry said, "There is a direct link between the Late Harappan and the writings that have been discovered. This proves that the people of Indus Valley Civilisation moved to South India after the collapse of the Late Harappan stage."

Dr Motiravan Kangale and Prakash Kalame, who had claimed deciphering the Harappa script relating it to the ancient tribal Gondi script, are helping decipher the writing found in Hampi, Metry said. The discovery was made near Talwara Ghatta on the way to Vijaya Vittala Temple in the UNESCO World Heritage Site.

"Dr Kangale and Kalame were in Hampi between August 24 and 29 for a seminar on the Gondi language. I took them to these writings. On the spot, Kangale was able to decipher five of the 20 characters," Metry said. The professor said that the symbols resemble symbols on the famous Pasupati Seal found in Mohenjo-Daro. "There are other such writings of symbols similar to these in other places in Hampi. Once all are studied, we can prove that the Harappans migrated to South India and a crucial link in our prehistory can be established."

However, historians are calling for caution. Eminent historian Dr S Shettar said, "Recently there were claims of a Harappan engraving on a piece of stone in Tamil Nadu. But unlike a rock face, stone pieces and seals can travel long distances. In this case too, we need very solid evidence. If the discovery is true, it is wonderful. But it has to be viewed very carefully. From about 2000 BCE when the Harappan/Indus civilisation ended and the times of Ashoka in the 3rd Century BCE, we do not have clarity of the continuity in Indian history. The Indus civilisation has been demarcated as Early, Mature and Late Harappan.

"But the writings found there are not as clearly demarcated. Even the true nature of the Harappan writings is in question. So if you find a discovery beyond the conventional Indus Civilisation area, you have to be very careful while making any claims. You need to say which language was used, which script was used and the continuity. A language or script cannot remain stagnant for 1,000 years. This cannot happen with a single find. Let there not be empty speculation," he said.

A BYGONE ERA

Out of the 20 symbols, Kangale and Kalame were able to immediately decipher five, says Metry. "They are: Sl No 1, which means aalin in Gondi,manava in Kannada, and man in English; Sl No 3, nel in Gondi, nela/nellu in Kannada, paddy field in English; Sl No 8, sary in Gondi, sari/daari inKannada, way/path in English; Sl No 15, sukkum in Gondi, chukke in Kannada, star/dot in English; and Sl No 16, nooru in Gondi, nara manava/mukhanda in Kannada, headman in English.

http://www.bangaloremirror.com/bangalore/others/Prof-sees-Harappan-script-in-Hampi/articleshow/45028303.cms

Note: From the photograph which appeared in Bangalore Mirror , it is possible to identify clearly, "standing person' symbol which is an Indus script sign.

It will be necessary to get from Prof. KM Metry, the complete set of symbols and specific symbols he sees as comparable to signs of Indus script.

From my decipherment, the 'standing person' symbol has two rebus readings: See http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2014/09/stature-of-body-meluhha-hieroglyphs-48.html

Stature of body Meluhha hieroglyphs (48) in Indus writing: Catalogs of Metalwork processes

meḍ 'body' (Santali. Munda) Rebus: meḍ ‘iron’(Munda); मेढ meḍh‘merchant’s helper’(Pkt.) meḍ iron (Ho.) meṛed-bica = iron stone ore, in contrast to bali-bica, iron sand ore (Munda)

kāṭi 'body stature; Rebus: fireplace trench.

काठी [ kāṭhī ] f (काष्ट S) (or शरीराची काठी) The frame or structure of the body: also (viewed by some as arising from the preceding sense, Measuring rod) stature (Marathi) B. kāṭhā ʻ measure of length ʼ(CDIAL 3120).

Rebus: G. kāṭɔṛɔ m. ʻ dross left in the furnace after smelting iron ore ʼ.(CDIAL 2646)
Rebus: kāṭi , n. < U. ghāṭī. 1. Trench of a fort; அகழி. 2. A fireplace in the form of a long ditch; கோட்டையடுப்பு காடியடுப்பு kāṭi-y-aṭuppu , n. < காடி; +. A fireplace in the form of a long ditch used for cooking on a large scale; கோட்டையடுப்பு.

The transcription of other symbols on the Rock inscription of Hampi and possible comparison with Indus Script sign or pictorial motif sets have to be further analysed and investigated.

Kalyanaraman

Sarasvati Research Centre

December 18, 2014

http://bharatkalyan97.blogspot.in/2014/11/the-eternal-harappan-script-tease.html

Gondwana, Indus script on 19 pictographs from a cave in Talwarghatta, Hampi, Godavari river basin

meḍ 'body' (Santali. Munda)
Rebus: meḍ ‘iron’(Munda)kāṭi 'body stature; Rebus: fireplace trench.

Identification of other 18 pictographs of the cave inscription will help match with comparable deciphered hieroglyphs of Indus writing.

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meḍ 'body' (Santali. Munda)Rebus: meḍ ‘iron’(Munda)kāṭi 'body stature; Rebus: fireplace trench.Identification of other 18 pictographs of the cave inscription will help match with comparable deciphered hieroglyphs of Indus writing.Kalyanaraman

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meḍ 'body' (Santali. Munda)
Rebus: meḍ ‘iron’(Munda)kāṭi 'body stature; Rebus: fireplace trench.

Identification of other 18 pictographs of the cave inscription will help match with comparable deciphered hieroglyphs of Indus writing.

Kalyanaraman